It is okay to discriminate based on language...
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM
when it would affect the circumstances of the decision. If I was hiring staff for my veterinary office, should I employ someone who cannot communicate clearly with my customers? If my office was in a predominately white town in the midwest and I hired a front desk staff member who spoke Ebonics, I would totally put off any client who walked in that door. Even if they understood him, they would likely have such a chore of it, I just might have them walk back out again. However if I knew the area my clinic was in had a great deal of Ebonics speakers, it might be a better idea to hire him! But even that is discrimination.
Language isn't just part of someones identity. Yes, it is wrong to call someone an idiot because they speak spanish...but how they speak also directly affects how effectively they communicate in a given situation. Just like you would not want a surgeon with cerebral palsy operating on your body, you would not want someone with unintelligible communication running your customer service desk. If you're going to consider Ebonics a legitimate "language", then you're going to have to accept that it is grounds for some discrimination...just like people who only speak Spanish.
Language isn't just part of someones identity. Yes, it is wrong to call someone an idiot because they speak spanish...but how they speak also directly affects how effectively they communicate in a given situation. Just like you would not want a surgeon with cerebral palsy operating on your body, you would not want someone with unintelligible communication running your customer service desk. If you're going to consider Ebonics a legitimate "language", then you're going to have to accept that it is grounds for some discrimination...just like people who only speak Spanish.
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So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments?
12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM
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it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect"
12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM
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Regardless of that, I don't see the ability to use dialect as a racist statement.
12/01/2010 04:32:07 AM
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when was the last time you heard a white person speaking ebonics?
12/01/2010 01:41:24 PM
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A week or so ago.
12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM
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Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person?
12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM
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And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM*
12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM
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I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9
13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM
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Mocking white people for "acting like black people" by modifying a slur on blacks... hm... *NM*
13/01/2010 06:50:46 AM
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You know, what IS a good term for black people these days?
12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM
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I just use "black"
12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM
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Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race?
12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM
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Please tell me you were joking... *NM*
12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM
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It is okay to discriminate based on language...
12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM
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Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language.
12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM
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You know, arguing what a language is with a linguist is pretty much set up for failure *NM*
12/01/2010 07:58:42 PM
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I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
12/01/2010 08:10:53 PM
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Re: I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
12/01/2010 09:06:01 PM
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Maybe, but having knowledge of the topic wasn't one of my advantages in that argument. *NM*
13/01/2010 03:36:31 AM
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I don't even know where to begin.
12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM
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That third point is going a bit far.
12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM
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You're right, I was conflating two separate points.
12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM
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Well, it still only applies...
12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM
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You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist .
12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
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You're guessing at people's motives and making what appear to be broad, unsupported assertions
12/01/2010 11:04:47 PM
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I don't mean they're racist in all respects.
13/01/2010 06:52:20 AM
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Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine
13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM
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I had to think about this for a few days, but I've now worked out my answer.
16/01/2010 01:59:25 PM
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I had no problems with them. And I don't even like the guy and hope he loses his reelection battle.
12/01/2010 03:32:42 PM
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Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore?
13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM
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It's not the word "Negro" in "Magic Negro" that's the most offensive part. *NM*
13/01/2010 09:16:20 AM
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