Surprise surprise, you don't listen to me and so argue against some guy who just tells sinners to "go for it."
You are right, doing that would be wrong.
You are wrong, that is not what I do.
There is a difference between telling someone to sin and telling someone that God loves them despite their sin. Because the sinners of which you speak and you? There is no difference. None.
And God loves you both. Read the story of the prodigal son and pay special attention to the older brother. Because that is who you are in the story.
You are right, doing that would be wrong.
You are wrong, that is not what I do.
There is a difference between telling someone to sin and telling someone that God loves them despite their sin. Because the sinners of which you speak and you? There is no difference. None.
And God loves you both. Read the story of the prodigal son and pay special attention to the older brother. Because that is who you are in the story.
I love how you fall into the typical wotmania/readandfindout mindset where you are so obviously loosing a debate that you toss out the "straw man" or "its just semantics" wording as though that disolves the situation.
Hardly.
You immediately through yourself onto your sword on "that's not what I do"...when it really is. How many times have I seen you "homosexual marriage" or "gay rights"? How many times have we read where you actually admit that you're a universalist and that "what God wants, God gets"? How many times have we seen you defend sinful lifestyles and their legitimacy in society?
I agree that there is a difference between the two, but in your case, you never tell someone that God loves them in spite of their sin. In your case, you never point out that they *have* sin. You leave it some emphermal, intangible, quasi-unconnected thing...never personalizing it. That is not love....to use a term which you may be aware of...its nothing more than tickling their ears.
I know the story well of the prodigal son...and the older brother...and the situation very well. To be 100% transparent with you, I've lived it. My very own brother did practically the same thing. But guess what...he repented & came home. Sure, at first, I was that "older brother"...because I never did anything so hurtful. That is something that I strugged with for a time, until I realized 2 major things. First of all...God (and my parents) still & always did love my brother. Secondly...despite everything, I did too.
But you wanna know the major difference between the prodigal son & the unsaved of the world. The son has repented...the unsaved have not. That changes the situation completely. They are still loved, however they aren't living in their father's home & thus they are still living in that pig sty.
But this goes rather far afield from the original question of you presenting the only lasting hope (Christ & Salvation) at a funeral. As stated before, there is a venue for different presentations, but it is always time to present Christ. This is especially true when someone is receptive to listening because of hardship or grief.
~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
One of the harder parts of my job...
08/11/2009 09:03:06 PM
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That is tough man. I am confident though you are the right person to help them through this. *NM*
08/11/2009 10:07:13 PM
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Re: One of the harder parts of my job...
08/11/2009 11:35:01 PM
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So I have some questions for you....
09/11/2009 10:05:19 PM
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Have I ever told you that you are confusing as hell?
10/11/2009 03:46:20 PM
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More interestingly....
10/11/2009 05:57:23 PM
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Do you think Christ would "present the salvation message" or do you think he would just live it?
10/11/2009 06:21:30 PM
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Funny....I remember Christ both living His message, as well as preaching
10/11/2009 07:16:12 PM
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It was entirely clear what you advocated Danny do at the funeral.
11/11/2009 03:02:56 AM
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Yes, I would.
10/11/2009 06:37:35 PM
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As I said to everynametaken
10/11/2009 07:32:21 PM
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Have fun with your strawman.
10/11/2009 07:42:37 PM
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*haha* (and yes, I am laughing at you)
10/11/2009 08:55:24 PM
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First of all - the spelling is Heresy.
10/11/2009 09:05:32 PM
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In regards to your questions, I had a hard time understanding exactly what you were getting at.
11/11/2009 06:09:23 PM
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