There is a proper venue for different words being used. Would I say right out to a reieving family of a non-believer that there is no hope of seeing their loved one again? No, because there is no point. Nothing they can do for that non-believe who died can get their loved one into heaven. Instead, you focus on their grief, their pain, and you turn the focus on them...not their dead loved one. Why? Because those non-believing loved ones left here on earth can still do something about their standing with God.



I have absolutely no notion of what you are speaking here. Everything that I've read from you before at wotmania, and here, speaks of universalism....that "what God wants, God gets". That somehow all of humanity will get into heaven....despite not believing. This stupid foolishness IS herasy. The love of God is constant despite their sin, but that sin will still seperate them from the presence of God.



Do you know why I focus on the parameters. Not because I am somehow drawing a line for others, but because that line has already been established by God himself. You do realize don't you, that the vast majority of those we talk to here, who aren't Christians (by their own choice) are going to go to hell when they die. Why focus on the parameters? Because they are on the outside!

These people that I've spent years talking to are going to go to hell. I don't want that. I like them. So when the focus is placed on the fact that you *never* point out their sin or their need for salvation, then you are doing nothing more than placating them in their state. You say that our calling as Christians is to love those around us. And I COMPLETELY agree with you. But love doesn't stop with patting them on the head, but it also is demonstrated by saying "What you are doing is wrong". Have you ever dealt with an addict? What they want so despirately is their next fix. They want it so bad. Do you give them it? Tell them that "its ok...I'm not judging you. I'm not going to say that what you are doing is wrong or that You need to change your life." Do you do that?

I hope not. But that's exactly what you are doing when you say "everyone will be in heaven"...or any number of other things that I've seen you say or even defend over the years.

You are very right...judgement isn't mine. It is God's. But when you see someone who is an addict (to their own sin), you cannot just stand by and defend their actions to get their next fix. And the best part....I didn't even determine who's an addict. God already did that too. I look at the "parameters" because I don't want those I know falling outside of those parameters...you know...broad road/narrow road. Do we have to go into that again?

~Jeordam