ah, thank you for pointing that box out, i hadn't seen it.
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 10/11/2009 01:30:50 AM
It's also plain ignorant to assume that they while they may admit that all is not sunshine and roses they won't put the best spin on the industry.
A veterinarian's first concern is animal welfare. If they violate this concern they are in violation of their oath. I'm going to assume they are at least not going to advocate anything less than animal welfare. There are plenty of jobs for veterinarians. There is no reason for a veterinarian to work anywhere they do not want to.
Right. So what you are saying is that "average" doesn't mean squat. Ummm...unless you want it to.
No, I'm saying that what you are giving an example of average for is entirely different than "Average" chicken house. Would you have been happier if I had said "majority" instead? are you seriously going to hem and haw over diction?
Of course you are right. Only the tips of the beaks.
How is that different than trimming the tips of a cat or dog's toe nails? Or a horse's feet? Chickens get into fights just like any animal. Chickens (like pigs) can also turn cannibalistic if given the opportunity to develop a taste for it. Is it really such a horrible preventative action to cut the sharp point off the bird's beak? (In case you're curious, that's why they don't tag pigs and dock their tails on occasion)
I have never declawed a cat. Scout was declawed when she came to us. We would never have done anything so cruel.
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Actually I think breeding Persians or Pugs to get that flat face, you know the one...where they have a hard time breathing and and have to have their humans clean their noses and eyes for them...Yes that is inhumane. For the record, I have never in my life had a dog or cat come into my life that didn't choose me or my family from its own freewill. They chose us. Scout, who I believe was an Ocicat chose us, not the other way around. Yes she was declawed but she was declawed when she came to us.
I really could care less how you got your animals. I was mostly just saying that breeding for an extreme is hardly atypical and in many other presentations perfectly acceptable by the greater community.
Sure, yep. *nods* Healthier chickens equals more profit. Funny how that works. Reminds me of GE Renewable Energy Technology Building a Better, Cleaner Tomorrow
Exactly. Funny how that works. So don't you think the companies would be maximizing the health of the chickens? Oh wait, they are. Yes, they take their profits into account in regards to their methods, but that's called "running a business". It sucks that a balance between economics and maximum animal comfort should be necessary, but the people working for these companies have to eat too you know. Regardless of what they eat.
You're right, completely moot and irrelevant. Though they can expose a person to the inhumanity visited on the animals brought to them.
I think it's quite human to kill animals to eat them. As we do it all the time and always have. Circle of Life and all that jazz. A slaughter house will never, ever be a nice work environment. That doesn't mean that what's going on at the slaughter house is inhumane or "wrong". Unless of course you think it's wrong to kill an animal in order to eat it, but in that case, that's your personal belief and no one makes you do so.
Tell me what's more "inhumane". Cold, snow and predators or a perfectly moderated threat-less chicken house? Food at their wingtips or skuffling through dirt? The chickens are well cared for, their nutrition is impeccable balanced and if quarters are tight they are not so tight they are hazardous to their health. If it was, the producers would be losing birds, and thus profit, and thus doing something differently. as you said, healthy birds equal profit. Why does everyone seem convinced the industry is out to do the opposite?
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On "Chicken Crowding"
09/11/2009 06:09:38 PM
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um
09/11/2009 06:16:06 PM
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mk, some clarification
09/11/2009 06:33:17 PM
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you obviously have not seen the documentary "Food Inc" , please watch it *NM*
09/11/2009 08:09:28 PM
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This might help
10/11/2009 11:13:17 AM
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even just reading the fact check (what I did), that's pretty awful.
10/11/2009 03:07:39 PM
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Ya know...
09/11/2009 08:49:32 PM
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Which is great if you can only think in binary
09/11/2009 10:59:29 PM
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free range has a lot of issues people don't know about
09/11/2009 11:15:10 PM
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Indeed, it isn't perfect.
09/11/2009 11:31:36 PM
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i would pick the regulated one.
09/11/2009 11:32:50 PM
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Well that is a clear issue
09/11/2009 11:44:07 PM
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yeah
10/11/2009 02:16:19 AM
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the pain problem with the diesase management
10/11/2009 02:21:31 AM
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I suggest you shut the flock up.
10/11/2009 02:30:28 AM
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you are horrible
10/11/2009 02:37:15 AM
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flock-to-flock contamination is quite a problem if you're trying to not feed the birds antibiotics.
10/11/2009 02:59:10 AM
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Ummm...
10/11/2009 08:05:20 PM
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Some questions and comments:
09/11/2009 09:37:56 PM
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Re: Some questions and comments:
09/11/2009 11:07:32 PM
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Re: Some questions and comments:
09/11/2009 11:19:07 PM
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Dear meathead
09/11/2009 11:33:36 PM
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i was not referring specifically to you.
09/11/2009 11:35:01 PM
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Fair enough, I didn't realise you were making unrelated comments for no clear reason
09/11/2009 11:42:59 PM
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it was related to what you were saying about standards
09/11/2009 11:44:27 PM
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No, it was not related to what I was saying about chicken raising standards
10/11/2009 10:55:18 AM
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LOL, sorry sis, but the meathead thing was cute. Methinks I have a new nickname for my favoritest.
10/11/2009 12:43:08 AM
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*sigh*
09/11/2009 11:14:27 PM
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You should use the quote box thingy on the far right of the Smiley Codes, it would make it easier
10/11/2009 01:01:02 AM
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ah, thank you for pointing that box out, i hadn't seen it.
10/11/2009 01:30:50 AM
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right on.
10/11/2009 05:20:48 PM
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we modified every domestic animal we have
10/11/2009 05:36:37 PM
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especially chickens. Chickens haven't even really ever lived in the wild...
15/11/2009 05:25:20 PM
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I know what you're trying to say, and I believe you.
10/11/2009 02:54:09 AM
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most domesticated animals don't eat what they'd "naturally" eat
10/11/2009 01:10:36 PM
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true. But I think at this point we are getting away from commercially raised and more towards pets.
10/11/2009 02:29:01 PM
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A full-grown chicken needs 4sq ft coop and 10 sq ft outside space...
15/11/2009 12:51:00 AM
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