I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws.
yew Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM
I get it, you think it's a good idea to make it a federal crime for harsher penalties or whatnot, but can't we make assault a federal crime without specifically punishing people for the thoughts they have while planning or committing a crime?
The supposed intent behind them--to reduce or eliminate violent crime based on bigotry--is good, but you can't legislate that away. Harsher penalties probably don't do much to deter crime, regardless of the motivation.
As has already been mentioned, the only real result is that by framing it as a 'gay rights' victory politicians and advocacy groups get to pat themselves on the back without actually doing anything to equalize the legal rights of the minority group in question.
I'm not really sure what's a good idea.
Matthew Shepard act passed
23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM
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Meh
23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM
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I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities.
24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM
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Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell?
24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM
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How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages?
24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM
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See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM*
24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM
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Agreed, but
24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM
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I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM
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I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice.
24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM
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So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy?
24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM
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Doesn't there have to be an indication ...
24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM
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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone.
24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM
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All orientations are protected.
24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM
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Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal?
24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM
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I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws.
24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM
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yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men?
24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM
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Minor point.
24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM
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well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too?
25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM
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