Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
Brian Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM
There has to be evidence that the attacker has to be motivated due to race, religion, sexual orientation etc. Just because the victim is gay doesn't mean squat unless the attacker attacks the victim due to the fact and the prosecutor has evidence to bring a hate crime charge.
Regardless I don't see the difference you are trying to make. If a black women is targeted by a drunk man for she is black, it shouldn't matter in my mind if the man is alone, or he only attacks people when drunk.
The drunk part doesn't really matter to me. To me there is a difference if some guy decides he wants to go gay bashing because he hates gay people, and if a KKK group goes out and decides they want to beat the hell out of some black people. They are both ugly crimes, and should be treated as such, but to me one should be treated as a regular crime, and one should be treated as something more. I don't know if that really makes sense to you, but it's simply the way I view it. Crimes that actually have a victim aren't usually done out of love...they are usually done out of anger and some form of hatred for the person they are commiting the crime against (I'm talking violent crimes here...property crime is a different monster completely). I would view ideal hate crime legislation to target groups that spread hate, and commit crimes against the groups that they are spreading hate against, while leaving the individual idiots out of the equation.
Matthew Shepard act passed
- 23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM
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Meh
- 23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM
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I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities.
- 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM
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Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell?
- 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM
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How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages?
- 24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM
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See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM*
- 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM
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Agreed, but
- 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM
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I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
- 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM
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I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice.
- 24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
- 24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
- 24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
- 24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM
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Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me
- 24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM
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So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy?
- 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM
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Doesn't there have to be an indication ...
- 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM
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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone.
- 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM
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All orientations are protected.
- 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM
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yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men?
- 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM
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Minor point.
- 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM
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well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too?
- 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM
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