But it's the Likudniks, in both countries, who have such an outsized say in matters...
Vodalus Send a noteboard - 02/05/2017 08:07:11 PM
...due to deep pockets.
View original postThere's J Street, for one, and the dawning realization in AIPAC circles that they are losing young American Jews at a pretty scary rate, along with young Americans of most other backgrounds - at least, 'losing' in the sense that they won't just go along with whatever AIPAC says and will look more critically at Israel's actions before deciding whether they support it.
J Street is poorly financed and organized compared to AIPAC. Moreover, half of them come across as starry-eyed communists with little understanding of how things really work, meaning they fundamentally misunderstand human nature.
View original postAs for Israel, the funny thing is that the Likudnik are looking like the moderates sometimes... especially people like the president. But there's still a majority of the Israeli public which is reasonable on that topic, they're just not very focused on the conflict anymore. Which is understandable enough in many ways - and it's good news too, to the extent that it's due to greater security from terrorist attacks. Obviously not so helpful when it comes to pushing through the painful concessions that real lasting peace would require on the Israeli side as well.
I don't know. Seems like Avigdor and even nastier types have the ears of plenty. I do however admit I haven't been following things closely for the last year or two. Also, the reduction of the terrorist threat is, in my mind, something of a byproduct of the general chaos across much of the region. Should things settle down somewhat and any form of political stability emerge, then I imagine Hamas's hardliners getting outside "help".
View original postIt's funny, I didn't expect my first reply in this thread to be quite like this... 
How so?
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Why Now Is the Time to Talk to Hamas
- 02/05/2017 06:30:35 PM
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Since Eretz Israel is still Likud's aim, and AIPAC has turned Capitol Hill into another...
- 02/05/2017 07:22:09 PM
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There's more to Israel than Likud - and more to Capitol Hill than AIPAC.
- 02/05/2017 07:37:11 PM
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But it's the Likudniks, in both countries, who have such an outsized say in matters...
- 02/05/2017 08:07:11 PM
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Hamas is still considered a terrorist group by the US and the EU.
- 02/05/2017 08:21:47 PM
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See, that's the kind of reply I was expecting.
- 02/05/2017 08:59:41 PM
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- 02/05/2017 08:59:41 PM
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Oh, I'd still talk to them. I just don't expect anything positive will occur with them.
- 02/05/2017 09:38:47 PM
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Depends on if you believe them or not
- 02/05/2017 08:38:19 PM
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Well, at a minimum, it's still the time to talk to them and see if they'll back up their words. *NM*
- 02/05/2017 09:01:02 PM
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What else can one expect from the Guardian?
- 03/05/2017 03:26:08 AM
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Yeah, how dare they give some Arab loser a space to publish an op-ed! Commie bastards!
- 03/05/2017 06:15:54 PM
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The Guardian really can't be taken seriously
- 03/05/2017 03:10:24 PM
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You mean unless Europe is willing to give up the United States of America?
- 03/05/2017 05:49:50 PM
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Fuck the Guardian. Who is supposed to talk with Hamas ?
- 03/05/2017 04:11:01 PM
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Which part of the word 'op-ed' do you all find so difficult to understand?
- 03/05/2017 05:24:00 PM
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