Just because you ignore something doesn't mean it's absent.
Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 05:23:53 PM
I've read posts by people like you before: you're in such a rush to show what a genius you are that you forget to make any points whatsoever. And then (and I love this) you turn it around on toher people and accuse them of being misinformed/wrong/whatever because you don't know how to formulate an argument.
97-8 Broncos. You enjoy that kool-aid, buddy LOL
97-8 Broncos. You enjoy that kool-aid, buddy LOL
You made an (unsubstantiated) assertion; I said the best teams were strong everywhere, while the Bears were basically Payton and a killer D. I supported my arguments by noting the elite talent teams repeat Champs beat on the way, as opposed to the Bears who did little before or after '85.
You fell back on conventional wisdom that defense is all (incidentally slamming all the Bucs and Ravens recent defenses) which still doesn't make the '85 Bears the best ever unless they also had the best D, a claim you rest solely on the fact they didn't allow a playoff TD. The problems with that being:
1) They DID give up a TD in the playoffs, against the Pats in the Super Bowl and
2) The '71 Cowboys did NOT give up a playoff TD--not even to the '71 Dolphins, the team that won their next 17, the next two Super Bowls, and MOST people consider the best team ever.
At least three other teams got to the Super Bowl without surrendering a TD, including the Giants the year after Chicago and the 49ers two years later.
That said, what makes the '85 Bears D so impressive is that they didn't surrender ANY points until the Super Bowl (the '86 Giants gave up a field goal when they beat SF 49-3, but still outscored them more than Chicago did ANYONE in '85. ) A good offense AND defense will still beat a great defense though. Which brings us to:
Your response that I should "look at Super Bowl winners since 1980" even though I'd already looked at two; I then listed Super Bowl teams that beat BETTER defenses, including the 2006 Colts, ranked DEAD LAST against the run, who beat the best defense in the League. Did you watch that game? The Bears D did EVERYTHING and their offense refused to win.
I didn't "turn around" anything or accuse you of being "misinformed/wrong/whatever. " I said I didn't want an intellectual pissing contest, and given that the one piece of actual data you cited was inaccurate, perhaps you should be grateful. You posted with an agenda to make the '85 Bears the best D and team ever with virtually no evidence while slamming everyone else, so any kool-aid is there. YOU made the comparison and my response was "reckon we'll never know, but I frankly doubt it. " Since we can't test your theory let's just agree to disagree, shall we?
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
The '97-'98 Broncos Still Blow My Mind. (THIS ONE'S FOR FLOFFE!11! 
)
- 30/09/2009 08:41:01 PM
838 Views
)
- 30/09/2009 08:41:01 PM
838 Views
Impressive post
- 30/09/2009 09:17:23 PM
423 Views
Just watch the videos; they largely speak for themselves.
- 30/09/2009 09:32:25 PM
518 Views
that hit on okoye was always listed as the turning point in his career
- 30/09/2009 10:32:35 PM
388 Views
Sorry, still chinese to me.
- 01/10/2009 11:30:42 AM
404 Views
They Stink! *NM*
- 30/09/2009 10:16:24 PM
181 Views
You're thinking of the '97 Packers...
- 30/09/2009 10:17:41 PM
406 Views
broncos are better than packers? who is the trophy named after again? *NM*
- 30/09/2009 10:27:15 PM
202 Views
Don't remind me of that travesty.
- 30/09/2009 10:51:37 PM
404 Views
I've always thought if it wasn't for that crushing loss to Jacksonville in 96....
- 01/10/2009 02:35:00 AM
361 Views
I tend to agree, though some say that just prevented a threepeat (Note:No one in Green Bay does. )
- 01/10/2009 06:41:12 AM
562 Views
)
- 01/10/2009 06:41:12 AM
562 Views
The '85 Bears would beat them by two touchdowns. *NM*
- 01/10/2009 03:26:12 AM
324 Views
Reckon we'll never know, but I frankly doubt it.
- 01/10/2009 06:11:27 AM
486 Views
Defensive pressure trumps absolutely everything else in football. '85 Bears were the kings.
- 01/10/2009 09:37:37 PM
382 Views
I disagree with that statement as well as many of your others.
- 02/10/2009 12:43:33 AM
494 Views
Have a look at the teams to win the SB since '80 and then we'll talk.
- 02/10/2009 02:54:48 AM
393 Views
I referenced teams that have won since the '80s, as well as one from before then.
- 02/10/2009 03:53:47 AM
562 Views
You sound more and more ridiculous with each new post.
- 03/10/2009 03:48:09 AM
401 Views
Just because you ignore something doesn't mean it's absent.
- 04/10/2009 05:23:53 PM
548 Views
Too bad they cheated to win.....yeah, heart.....
- 01/10/2009 04:07:02 AM
405 Views
- 01/10/2009 04:07:02 AM
405 Views
Al Davis lecturing people on playing by the rules?!!! 
- 01/10/2009 05:42:27 AM
389 Views
- 01/10/2009 05:42:27 AM
389 Views
Nice try, but facts are facts and the NFL agreed with Davis.....
- 01/10/2009 03:55:20 PM
426 Views
Failure to report some payments isn't a huge deal nor deliberate circumvention.
- 01/10/2009 04:31:01 PM
578 Views