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So this is an interesting point..... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 09/03/2017 05:56:12 PM

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Enabling the transgender person to reconcile their self-identification the way they want doesn't kill them.

Biopolar-ness in and of itself doesn't kill them. Depression doesn't in and of itself kill them. OCD tendencies do not (tyipcally) in and of themselves kill them. And the treatment for these conditions doesn't kill them....

Yet we help them all the same.

Why on this one topic, do we enable them to live out a reality that doesn't exist? And beyond that, they can "reconcile" their self-identification all they want....they still aren't that other gender. Jenner is still a man. Cher's child is still a woman. All the cosmetic surgery and hormonal work...all the re-issued government ID's...all of the "self-identification" they want to pursue....they are still their original gender.

That hasn't changed.

~Jeordam

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Self-Identification vs. Mental Health Issue *trigger warning* Jeordam - 06/03/2017 08:53:17 PM 789 Views
I have to say I'm very confused about what your question is... and I don't think it's just me. Legolas - 07/03/2017 12:04:27 AM 517 Views
Yes, I'm talking about... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:03:18 PM 524 Views
Okay, clear. Legolas - 07/03/2017 06:50:00 PM 527 Views
<3 *NM* nossy - 07/03/2017 06:57:23 PM 242 Views
Mind over Matter? Jeordam - 07/03/2017 09:06:53 PM 501 Views
Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. Legolas - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM 578 Views
Let's be clear.... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 11:17:02 PM 479 Views
By all means. Legolas - 07/03/2017 11:58:41 PM 494 Views
Well that's the crux of the topic isn't it.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 05:48:50 PM 426 Views
That takes us right back to body vs mind, doesn't it? Legolas - 08/03/2017 07:13:32 PM 476 Views
Well that would be the difference... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 08:54:59 PM 527 Views
So do tell me what in fact the purpose of our discussion is, then? Legolas - 08/03/2017 09:40:09 PM 478 Views
What can I possibly say? Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:45:54 PM 465 Views
There's a distinction to be made with eating disorders. Ghavrel - 08/03/2017 08:31:08 PM 476 Views
That brings us all the way back around.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 09:05:40 PM 517 Views
Because nossy - 08/03/2017 09:30:37 PM 506 Views
Two things... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:50:32 PM 461 Views
you're missing a rather obvious difference, aren't you? damookster - 08/03/2017 09:50:09 PM 492 Views
Yeah, Snoop was just saying the same. nossy - 08/03/2017 10:14:41 PM 532 Views
Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 07:12:26 PM 511 Views
Re: Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... nossy - 09/03/2017 08:52:30 PM 592 Views
So two conversations now..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:39:55 PM 489 Views
Re: So two conversations now..... nossy - 09/03/2017 10:23:39 PM 472 Views
And this is what you're overlooking.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 10:47:47 PM 507 Views
I could be wrong nossy - 09/03/2017 11:15:22 PM 477 Views
Sex vs Gender Jeordam - 09/03/2017 11:33:54 PM 498 Views
So this is an interesting point..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:56:12 PM 495 Views
Sure about that? damookster - 09/03/2017 08:53:14 PM 466 Views
It's a mater of persepctive.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:12:09 PM 494 Views
wrong damookster - 09/03/2017 09:41:53 PM 421 Views
Sure. Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:57:48 PM 517 Views
sure, could be damookster - 09/03/2017 11:56:31 PM 445 Views
I feel like this has been said several times already, in several ways Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 04:10:27 PM 479 Views
It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Jeordam - 10/03/2017 06:01:06 PM 484 Views
Re: It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 07:58:57 PM 488 Views
I find your wording problematic and agenda driven. damookster - 07/03/2017 11:58:03 PM 502 Views
I appolozie if I offended Jeordam - 08/03/2017 06:18:41 PM 480 Views
no worries damookster - 08/03/2017 06:36:10 PM 496 Views
It always goes from it doesn't hurt anyone to the whole world has to change accommodate me *NM* random thoughts - 10/03/2017 02:46:38 AM 291 Views
That's true - doesn't change the issue as such but certainly there's intolerance on that side too. *NM* Legolas - 10/03/2017 07:45:43 AM 232 Views
Both extremes are dangerous random thoughts - 10/03/2017 12:59:41 PM 525 Views
Take your trigger warnings back to tumblr where they belong ßelals Girl - 07/03/2017 12:21:05 PM 603 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:04:10 PM 514 Views
I self-identify as a deity, so I need you to use My preferred pronouns in reference to Myself Cannoli - 07/03/2017 05:15:56 PM 441 Views
So I could self-identify aerocontrols - 08/03/2017 12:36:39 AM 427 Views
I read through this thread. kazetaran - 10/03/2017 12:44:03 AM 643 Views
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