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Okay, clear. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/03/2017 06:50:00 PM

View original postThose who are physically one gender, yet they feel they are the other gender. Or people who are physically one race, yet they feel they are another race. These are two contemporary examples.

I'd say as far as race goes, this is a question of a few individuals - this isn't exactly a thing. So I'll limit myself to the gender part.
View original postWhy are we, as an individual or a society, making the assumption that their feeling or their mental desire is the "correct" setting, while the reality of the situation is another? Manning, Jenner, Cher's child, the Wachowski siblings...each of these was born as one gender, and they have taken steps towards the other. Why is this not seen as a mental health issue? We treat people with other type of body dismorphia conditions (anorexia for example). Why not these as well?

I guess I would say because we generally view people's inner self as having primacy over the outer self, and hence respect their right to try and make their exterior reflect their inner self? Mind over matter, so to speak - seems like a concept Christians could generally get behind.

It IS in fact defined as a mental health issue (now that you clarified how you defined this), in the sense that gender dysphoria is indeed included in standard lists of psychological disorders, like the DSM 5. It's just that the best solution for it in many cases is to accept it rather than fight it, because after all why not do what makes you happy, if it doesn't hurt either others or yourself?

In that sense it's different from the large majority of other 'mental health issues' which either make the patient unhappy in a way that cannot be resolved, or cause danger or harm or impairment to the patient, or pose a risk to others (or some combination of those).

View original postAnd I would challenge the statement that "doesn't everyone have at least some kind of mental health issue". I don't. Most everyone I know doesn't have any mental health issue. I'm not plagued with OCD, body dismorphia, clinical depression, clinical anxiety, bipolar or any other assortment of mental health issues. The fact that we, as a society, are willing to talk about it now and help people address their issues is fantastic.

I was just pointing out how vague a description 'mental health issue' is - it could mean almost anything, down to someone waking up in a bad mood for no discernible reason. But you clarified you meant it in a much more specific sense, so okay.

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