Historically, Turkey has not been half-European. European populations were oppressed by Turkish janissaries and governors for centuries, yes, but that hardly counts. That's like trying to say Japan should be able to join a Chinese organization because they are "half Chinese" by virtue of their historical occupation of large parts of China.
To point to Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia and say that their example shows why Turkey should be let in is likewise twisting history. Let's not forget that those nations are predominantly Muslim today as a RESULT of Turkish occupation. Furthermore, do you see any of those states joining the EU any time soon? I don't.
As for "progress", I just don't see it. Turkey is still killing Kurds and calling them "terrorists" to justify the killings. Progress would mean that they stop trying to do to the Kurds what they did to the Armenians. That, coincidentally, brings me to my next point. I have seen ZERO progress on recognizing the Armenian genocide. Intellectuals who dare to speak out are charged with "insulting Turkishness" and the US President caved in to Turkish pressure and broke a campaign promise to recognize the Armenian Genocide. The Turks can't even bring themselves to call it a genocide - it's just the "Events of 1915" to them.
The only thing "impressive" about what Turkey (and its military secular establishment) has done is that it has let an Islamist party gain power and let the nation move one step closer to implementing an Iranian-style theocracy.
To point to Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia and say that their example shows why Turkey should be let in is likewise twisting history. Let's not forget that those nations are predominantly Muslim today as a RESULT of Turkish occupation. Furthermore, do you see any of those states joining the EU any time soon? I don't.
As for "progress", I just don't see it. Turkey is still killing Kurds and calling them "terrorists" to justify the killings. Progress would mean that they stop trying to do to the Kurds what they did to the Armenians. That, coincidentally, brings me to my next point. I have seen ZERO progress on recognizing the Armenian genocide. Intellectuals who dare to speak out are charged with "insulting Turkishness" and the US President caved in to Turkish pressure and broke a campaign promise to recognize the Armenian Genocide. The Turks can't even bring themselves to call it a genocide - it's just the "Events of 1915" to them.
The only thing "impressive" about what Turkey (and its military secular establishment) has done is that it has let an Islamist party gain power and let the nation move one step closer to implementing an Iranian-style theocracy.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
This message last edited by Tom on 04/10/2009 at 03:17:05 AM
Ireland accepts Lisbon Treaty
03/10/2009 02:09:29 PM
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A sad sad day for europe
03/10/2009 02:13:53 PM
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Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least.
03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM
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United States of Europe! Here we come.
03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM
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We don't get a vote, because we would not say the right thing. So fuck democracy.
03/10/2009 02:29:25 PM
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Why does Tim think No is the right choice?
03/10/2009 11:02:53 PM
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What would you say is the most important effect and/or overall significance of the treaty? *NM*
03/10/2009 02:30:29 PM
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Mostly making the EU less unwieldy.
03/10/2009 02:37:06 PM
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Why on earth would you want to let Turkey in?
03/10/2009 04:05:24 PM
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Several reasons.
03/10/2009 04:41:59 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't really see a lot of progress
04/10/2009 03:16:42 AM
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I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader.
05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM
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Yeah, that's true...
05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM
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So the European parliament will not elect the leader?
05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM
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Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up.
05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM
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I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or
05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM
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