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Not at all. Plenty of valid reasons to dislike her, some of which I agree with and others not. Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/07/2016 11:30:09 AM

View original postIt's the name she chooses to use. Back before she had to run for office, everyone called her Rodham Clinton. She could have stayed Rodham when she married too. To call "Clinton" her husband's name is just as sexist. He's been married to her for more than half his life, and she has used the name Clinton for more than half of hers. She might not have been born with it (but then neither was he), but she has made it her own.

True that it's the name she chooses to use - but from what I had understood, though I could be wrong, having originally taken Clinton's name to begin with was more a question of bowing to public prejudice than of personal preference. Anyway, it's a pet peeve of mine, women adopting their husband's last name (even when they merely do it socially - never mind a legal name change).
View original postAnd the left's affection for Obama, or detestation of any number of leading Republicans was? The hatred for Nixon was far closer to pathological, and don't go blaming Watergate for that - Watergate happened because of that hatred, not the other way around. Nixon's ethical misconduct as president was a fraction of what was ignored under Johnson & Roosevelt. Much of the complaints about Nixon, such as his enemies list, are bullshit. Bush was hanged in effigy and a book and movie were made fantasizing about his assassination. What equivalent has been done to (either) Clinton?

Can't really comment on Nixon as that was before my time. Bush is a fair comparison, but at least the man was president and had actually done something before becoming so hated. Hillary Clinton seems to be hated with a passion in a way no other Democratic politician is except possibly Obama. Certainly not Bill, who actually was president.
View original postI would assume a more objective person would categorize those as "reasons with which you happen to agree" as opposed to other reasons which are "pathological".

When I say pathological I'm talking about the intensity of the hatred, not about which particular reason inspired it. To take one obvious example, I don't really have a view one way or the other on whether Benghazi was really a serious error or just plain bad luck. I have no issue with people deciding to vote against her for Benghazi, or for her emails, her views on free trade, whatever. I do have an issue with people fantasizing about imprisoning or shooting her, or depicting her as some kind of anti-Christ. Indeed like some on the left have done towards Bush (and Blair - the publication of the Chilcot report in Britain a few weeks ago brought back some of that, and it most certainly was pathological there as well, though Blair isn't even right-wing).
View original postThat's the way its been for decades. The myth is that there is a small swing group that both sides try to appeal to, but a recent opinion piece I saw somewhere made the much more plausible claim that there is no real undecided group, that both sides campaign to rally the base and get a turnout in their favor. I would hazard that the leftwing media has been promulgating the swing vote theory hoping to induce Republicans to try leaning left to garner these alleged centrists, when the reality is that conservatism sells and has been responsible for nearly every GOP presidential win in the last century or so. Dole & McCain & Wilkie & Dewey & Bush I failed, with the latter winning his sole election as the perceived successor to Reagan. Bush 2 ran as a more conservative candidate than he actually served. Once safely into his second term and he began trying to appoint women with no credentials to the Supreme Court and offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, he lost the good will from running as the anti-Clinton and then based on his supposedly strong post 9-11 performance.

Has it though? I just checked the election results of 1984, Reagan's landslide victory with huge numbers of Democrats voting for him. At the same time, the Democrats actually won two seats in the Senate election - a Democrat in Oklahoma retained his Senate seat with 75 percent of the vote on the same day that Reagan thrashed Mondale 69 percent to 31 in that same state. That seems like an extreme case of split ticket voting by the standards of any time, but my point is it happens much less today than it did then.

As for your point about swing voters or not - definitely that group has decreased, at this point I think it's mostly the really apolitical people who are genuinely independent and genuine swing voters without a strong tendency for one side or the other. And for the most part they don't vote so won't decide elections either.

View original postI think Trump's success will depend on being able to draw out more people who ordinarily wouldn't give a crap, in addition to the 'anyone but Clinton' vote, than he will lose by not being allowed to appear sufficiently "presidential".

If the only votes he loses are those turned off by his populism - in other words, if Cruz' group of conservatives ends up coming back to him instead of staying home or voting Johnson - and at the same time he gains a good share of those apolitical voters in the middle, then I agree he may very well win, unless Clinton really aces her turn-out in the states where it matters.

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