View original postI know that all the bleeding hearts who have been naively praising what amounts to the suicide of Europe are horrified and attempting to deny reality, but there are a lot of hard realities here for people. First, ISIS actually is using the refugee crisis to its advantage. Second, even among the non-terrorist refugees there is rampant property theft, assault and rape, because most of the people are able-bodied men, not women or children.
Of course they're using the refugee crisis to their advantage. As is just about every other political actor in the Middle East, Europe and the rest of the world. It just so happens that their purposes are a lot nastier than most - and that the world has a bigger interest in countering those purposes. We shouldn't let the Paris attacks affect the handling of the refugee problem - which is not to say you can't be critical of how that is being handled at present. Just do it on its own merits.
View original postNo one's asking Germany to fire up the ovens or anything. Just deport all the economic refugees, and the ones that aren't deported on political grounds can get temporary residence permits that will be revoked as soon as the war is declared over by the EU, with no right to bring relatives. The base line duty of a government is to protect its citizens (not anyone who manages to illegally cross its borders and violate its laws). All the little euphemisms like "migrants" and "refugees" fail to point out that these people are illegal immigrants who have broken laws to cross borders.
In case you hadn't noticed, Germany and the EU are in fact trying to persuade Turkey to keep more Syrian refugees - even at the cost of turning a blind eye to Erdogan's increasingly Putin-like behaviour. But where are they supposed to send the Syrians already here? Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan have too many to deal with as it is, they're not going to take back the ones they managed to get rid of. And while you might argue that those Syrians became "economic refugees" the moment they left Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan for Europe, they are genuine refugees when it comes to returning to Syria.
Agree that it's not desirable for all the refugees to stay for the long term after the war is over - but then, many of them wouldn't want to.
What's also certain is that the pressure on the Gulf States to take in refugees needs to be increased - this is ridiculous. I dare say Saudi Arabia could do with a good number of Syrian immigrants with a somewhat healthier view on religion and a desire to work hard.
Obama, a few days ago - ISIS is "contained"
14/11/2015 08:22:40 PM
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What does one thing have to do with the other?
14/11/2015 09:30:59 PM
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Oh, you poor naive silly man
15/11/2015 12:15:48 AM
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I quite agree it was inevitably going to happen. Doesn't stop it from being tasteless and silly. *NM*
15/11/2015 01:29:18 AM
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Exactly.
16/11/2015 10:01:14 AM
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Buash and Cheney created the mess in the Middle East?Now thats funny *NM*
16/11/2015 01:39:32 PM
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What exactly destabilized Iraq?
16/11/2015 02:03:19 PM
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Does that mean you support secular dictators?
17/11/2015 01:50:52 AM
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Bush signed the withdrawal agreement, not Obama.
17/11/2015 05:53:13 PM
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stop reading crazy left wing sources
17/11/2015 07:24:49 PM
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The withdrawal and its timeline were part of the 2008 SOFA signed by Bush.
17/11/2015 07:36:56 PM
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Just becuase people tell you stupid things does not mean you have to believe them
19/11/2015 07:34:25 PM
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Wow! I'm communicating with someone from an alternate reality. *NM*
19/11/2015 10:32:56 PM
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Obama pullying troops out early
17/11/2015 07:22:10 PM
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How did ISIS start in Syria? Clearly it started in Iraq.
17/11/2015 07:50:36 PM
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If you want to take it back far enough it began in fighting Russia in Afghanistan
18/11/2015 01:25:06 PM
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Confirmed - one of the terrorists was a "Syrian Refugee"
15/11/2015 01:35:11 AM
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I can't see how you get from A to B
16/11/2015 01:42:04 PM
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The fingerprints match the refugee so yes, it's confirmed. The mastermind posed as one, too.
17/11/2015 01:45:33 AM
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78% of all Syrian "refugees" are men. Something is up. *NM*
17/11/2015 04:03:14 AM
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And sadly, Germany is too emasculated to respond adequately.
17/11/2015 03:52:45 PM
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Yup *NM*
17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM
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Well, when those who want mid-1930s Germany back are disappointed...
17/11/2015 10:35:45 PM
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No. You've just gone from a horrific extreme to the pathetic opposite extreme. *NM*
20/11/2015 06:08:05 PM
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Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely?
17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM
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Back to their home countries
17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM
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Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that.
17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM
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10% acceptance for Pakistan still sounds high
18/11/2015 02:37:29 AM
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No one says it's easy, but the alternatives are so much worse
18/11/2015 08:18:47 AM
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Just answer one question
20/11/2015 06:05:41 PM
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Trump maintains his lead. A poll today from New Hampshire has him solidly leading.
17/11/2015 01:55:00 AM
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Calling all liberal posters - Paris Mastermind boasts about using the refugee crisis
17/11/2015 04:30:25 AM
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Again, you're doing a great job for them.
17/11/2015 08:17:09 AM
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"Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees"
17/11/2015 01:23:54 PM
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Re: "Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees"
19/11/2015 11:42:12 PM
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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...."
20/11/2015 12:37:55 AM
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It's a fucking statue. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything of the sort.
20/11/2015 01:17:57 AM
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For better or worse...
21/11/2015 04:56:50 AM
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