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Re: A person is dead; that is hardly "getting one right" moondog Send a noteboard - 13/08/2015 10:10:54 PM

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Nor is caring solely because the person is BLACK rather than because he is DEAD. It is deeply disturbing that in each of the growing number of cases of cops shooting or BOMBING unarmed citizens they are sworn to serve and protect, everyone invariably declares it justified or not solely be checking the victims RACE rather than the facts of the assault. I am obliged to say that here since no leftists chimed in to help conservatives dispute the point when I made it in the thread on Eric Garner, but will leave it there; for others who think I gave conservatives far more grief about it than I have a fellow leftist: Rest assured we have been arguing the issue at length for months.
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University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing was indicted Wednesday on a murder charge for fatally shooting Samuel DuBose during a traffic stop July 19.

It’s the first time a police officer in the city has been charged with murder for killing someone while on duty.

Video from the officer’s body camera shows a routine traffic stop turning suddenly violent when DuBose leans toward the passenger seat and Tensing fires a single shot into his head. DuBose did not appear to be belligerent or aggressive before the officer fired.

“It’s an absolute tragedy that anyone would behave in this manner,” said Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters. “It was senseless. It’s just horrible.

“He purposefully killed him.”

Tensing, 25, faces 15 years to life in prison if he’s convicted.

The decision came after 12 Hamilton County citizens reviewed evidence all day Monday as part of a grand jury investigation into the incident, which has put the city on edge and rekindled worries about the sometimes strained relationship between police and African-Americans in Cincinnati.

UC’s campus shut down and classes were canceled Wednesday in anticipation of the announcement. Ohio Highway Patrol troopers were seen arriving on campus by late morning.

City officials say they also are taking no chances. Cincinnati police are preparing for possible protests and unrest, while Mayor John Cranley and other city officials are asking neighborhood activists to help keep the peace.

They said the city has changed since the riots and unrest that followed a fatal shooting of an unarmed black man by police in 2001, and they are optimistic the reaction this time will be peaceful.

Tensing shot and killed DuBose, who is black, after stopping his car at Rice and Valencia streets in Mount Auburn for having a missing front license plate.

The video shows some back-and-forth between Tensing and DuBose over whether he has a suspended driver’s license before the officer asks DuBose to take off his seatbelt.

At that point, DuBose tells the officer, “I didn’t even do nothing.”

The shot is fired seconds later.

most telling in this video is that DuBose literally did nothing wrong, was complying with the officers commands, and was not belligerent nor disrespectful towards the officer. as usual, i challenge all the apologists for these events to point to the exact moment in the video linked below where DuBose deserved to die. the same justifications come out when these killings happen all the time: if only he complied with the officer, if only he didn't attack/mouth-off/raise-something-that-might-be-construed-as-a-weapon/put-his-hands-where-the-officer-couldn't-see-them/whatever-rationale-is-needed-to-justify-killing-yet-another-unarmed-black-person. oh, and let's not forget the all-time classic "well, it's extremely dangerous to be a police officer, so of course they're going to kill someone who threatens them." thanfully we are seeing more and more how police forces lie and distort reality to justify murdering the citizens they're sworn to protect. now we just need to stop believing the lies and start holding these officers accountable for their actions.


In the interest of strict accuracy, it is not true DuBose "DuBose literally did nothing wrong, was complying with the officers commands:" He did NOT comply with the officers command to remove his seatbelt, instead starting his car and attempting to leave. That in NO way justified shooting him, but overstating his innocence invites people to question ones credibility about other facts of the case.

That is another problem with how we handle police brutality: The tendency to presume a victim innocent of ALL crimes if an assault is unjustified, conversely presume an assault justified UNLESS the victim is innocent of all crimes, or both. People can and many are guilty of crimes that do not justify killing them, but even cops possessing prove of someones guilt have no justification for killing anyone except to save another life. Lethal force is only justified to resist lethal force, period.


a) DuBose either left the car running with his foot on the brake, or had it in neutral with his foot on the brake. after being shot, his foot came off the brake, causing the car to roll down the street as shown in the video.
b) as usual, it's not clear the officer had both the right to order him out of the car, as well as it's not clear the officer had the right to stop him in the first place. the supreme court has thankfully muddied the waters on what is and is not a valid, lawful order from police and the average citizen should be excused for not knowing how to tell the difference.

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