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The Stars and Bars was the Confederate NATIONAL flag, but otherwise, yeah Joel Send a noteboard - 26/06/2015 11:57:08 PM

View original postRegardless off its racism or not. That's an intense slippery slope and really, it's such an impedance on our first amendment rights. I CAN understand not flying the flag in government places but to say we should ban anything is inherently unconstitutional.

Despite that, I have a hard time understanding why people can't realize that what it means to some people, it doesn't mean to others. To so many southerners, it's a symbol of heritage and a symbol of their culture, not a symbol of enslaving blacks once again or even rising up against the north.

"But it was born from slavery!" one might say. Yeah? And so what? Our U.S. flag was born of resistance to Great Britain. But now it means something entirely different. They're one of our greatest allies. So clearly the U.S. flag has changed its representation. Why can't the Stars and Bars? And living in VA and talking to some people down here, they defend the flag because of their own reasons, not because they hate black people and want slaves again and hate "Yankees."

Come on, man. Nobody's fighting the Civil War anymore. That's just something people say when they don't know what the hell they're talking about.


The US and Europe are different in many ways, and I strongly feel BOTH got important things right that the other got horribly wrong. Free speech is one the US got right (though I still contend we went too far the other way when the SCOTUS allowed the Klan to preach violence as long as it does not name specific immediate targets.)

Yes, Nazism is disgusting, reprehensible and has absolutely ZERO redeeming qualities, but we should ban VIOLENCE, not HATRED, because dictating what people THINK is the worst tyranny, and liberty of conscience the liberty to be horrifically inexcusably wrong so long as it harms no other. And no, racism unempowered by ACTS does not harm anyone any more than any other forms of being a total SOB. Same as we should not declare some assaults worse than others based on WHOM is the victim, except when that victim is exceptionally innocent/vulnerable. Note, btw, "vulnerable," does not mean "sure he is a 6'5" Green Beret, but his RACE is subjected to lots of violence," it means "htf can you punch a three-year-old KID in the mouth: He cannot POSSIBLY have done anything to 'deserve' that, and at least an adult might be able to defend themselves.")

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racist mass murderer finally brings about the end of the US Civil War 150 years after the fact moondog - 24/06/2015 11:41:08 PM 957 Views
And everyone needs to stop watching Gone with the Wind! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/06/2015 06:45:09 PM 272 Views
White supremacists use the cross and US flag at least as much: Should we ban those "racist" symbols? Joel - 25/06/2015 08:09:30 PM 885 Views
The Democratic party has a worse history of racism than the army of the CSA. Let's ban that! Cannoli - 25/06/2015 11:19:09 PM 722 Views
Not really, since the CSA was IN the Democratic Party then and is in the Republican Party NOW Joel - 26/06/2015 11:16:30 PM 632 Views
I never accused FDR of preparing for war, just of trying to provoke one; which only makes it worse Cannoli - 02/07/2015 10:20:37 PM 589 Views
Implying FDR simultaneously disarmed AND incited war insults your intellect, not his Joel - 04/07/2015 02:21:07 AM 707 Views
the question is: why do you want to continue to worship the symbols of slavery and racism? moondog - 26/06/2015 12:06:06 AM 619 Views
You are such an ignorant fuck *NM* random thoughts - 26/06/2015 02:09:29 AM 309 Views
now that's the kind of well-reasoned and thoughtful response i've come to expect from you *NM* moondog - 26/06/2015 05:54:05 PM 344 Views
No, the question remains why the cross, US flag and Confederate Battle Flag=racism Joel - 26/06/2015 11:28:22 PM 709 Views
The US flag was used to commit herindous war crimes against the Americans in the South random thoughts - 25/06/2015 09:54:33 PM 652 Views
But we won, so we get the final say on what is good or bad. Anonymous2000 - 26/06/2015 02:52:41 PM 611 Views
And we get to fly our flags in protest of the war of northern aggression *NM* random thoughts - 26/06/2015 03:27:59 PM 357 Views
if you can prove the US flag was specifically commissioned to hold on to slavery then make the case moondog - 26/06/2015 05:56:34 PM 586 Views
The accusation is yours: Prove the Confederacy was specifically commissioned for slavery Joel - 26/06/2015 11:44:59 PM 704 Views
You should read The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader if you truly believe that. *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2015 05:56:33 AM 346 Views
Read Lee stating his hatred of slavery AND secession, and love of the Union, if you do not Joel - 30/06/2015 06:01:01 PM 609 Views
Lee is one man who didn't hold office in the Confederacy, and he's an exception. Ghavrel - 04/07/2015 08:12:10 PM 754 Views
Stephens is also one man, and was not George Washingtons heir Joel - 09/07/2015 01:40:53 AM 687 Views
"a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of ... slavery" moondog - 01/07/2015 09:55:33 PM 621 Views
Wikipedia ALSO has a whole ARTICLE on the wars causes; odd, when they could "just say, 'slavery.'" Joel - 01/07/2015 11:58:09 PM 828 Views
Lets play which General shuld be honored and you take Grant and I will take Lee random thoughts - 02/07/2015 01:53:29 PM 762 Views
To be fair, the scorched earth terrorism was not Meatgrinder Grants idea, but Shermans Joel - 04/07/2015 12:33:41 AM 701 Views
Honestly, the fact of the matter is we shouldn't ban anything Fox and Ravens - 26/06/2015 02:38:07 PM 662 Views
the only thing being banned is the display of such items at state/public buildings moondog - 26/06/2015 05:51:04 PM 640 Views
It' really funny you should bring up the Swastika Fox and Ravens - 26/06/2015 08:35:59 PM 714 Views
Again, state rights is why "if you dislike it, LEAVE!" is largely viable in the US Joel - 27/06/2015 12:02:32 AM 568 Views
The Stars and Bars was the Confederate NATIONAL flag, but otherwise, yeah Joel - 26/06/2015 11:57:08 PM 645 Views
All stand for the national anthem of the Confederate States Sports_Gambler - 30/06/2015 04:44:58 PM 776 Views
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