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i think you may be pushing your personal bias on the author. Hieshyn Send a noteboard - 06/03/2015 06:42:15 PM

The point seemed to be to me that if two people are both intoxicated, whats wrong with them having sex. To say that someone is being raped in that scenario in my mind is wrong. Growing up that was almost the whole point of house parties, college dorm parties, hell even going downtown and hitting the bars, the goal of most of those evenings is to get drunk, and get laid. It was the focus for us, both male and female. The ubderatabding was that if both parties were drunk, its all good.

Now i absolutley do not mean that if two people are drunk and one says no or isnt into it that that gives the other license to "take it" from them. That is in every way rape. To force yourself on someone is always wrong and that behavior beeds to be punished.

If two people are drunk, talking and suddenly fibd themselves making out, go off somewhere excluded and fuck without "proper, prior planning" or without eother party specifically asking for or giving consent, why is that rape? And who is the rapist in that situation? The man? Because wpmen are fragile flowers and he should know better? Thats the precedent i see being set up if sex while intoxicated was to become a crime, the man is going to be charged, regardless of ewho initiated the act. Maybe im cynical and jaded, but that seems to be the trend already happening woth what i refer to as reggretted sex. You go out one night and decide to willingly spend the night woth a stranger, or a friend, whatever ot may be, and in the morning you eake up next to this person and go oh shit, what have i done? This ptoposed shift in the law could see men, and women, who are not predators and are guilty of nothing more than taking the wrong person home, to be wrongly cast into prison amd labelled a sex offender for the rest of their lives. Thats what eorries me.

Can anyone here say that they javent been in that position? I have a daughter bron from a one night drunken stand. I was far more intoxicated than her mother, was i raped? I certainly was willing to go on woth the act, but because i was drunk, and as this article points out, they want to say that intoxication os an automatic no, i couldnt truly have consented so does Ashleys mother deserve to be tried and sent to prison? That notion is ridiculous to me, but should this thought become law, you will WILL, see this scenario play out.

Lije the author says, drunk sex can be great, fun for a night, or a night that leads to years or a lifetime of fun and happiness between two or more people. It can also be akward and strange, but two people, getting drunk and ending up in bed together isnt a crime. We just need to learn to accept that people make decisions, and people make mistakes. But punishing the innocent to get at the guilty isnt the way to go about it.

Thats my two cents, take ot or leave it.

The God King mourns...
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Drunk Sex - 03/03/2015 03:32:30 PM 1219 Views
Shouldn't the manner of getting hammered factor in ? - 03/03/2015 05:31:48 PM 765 Views
It's worth reading the BBC and Telegraph articles your article links to. - 03/03/2015 06:23:32 PM 890 Views
I am more interested in the trend in general and not this specific law - 03/03/2015 07:10:20 PM 708 Views
A lot of those studies are based on adjusting the goalposts for rape - 04/03/2015 12:58:06 AM 558 Views
[citation needed] - 04/03/2015 10:13:38 PM 531 Views
They'd better enforce it equally *NM* - 03/03/2015 06:28:38 PM 266 Views
Just like hate crime is enforced equally? *NM* - 03/03/2015 07:10:45 PM 278 Views
Exactly. I don't have high hopes *NM* - 03/03/2015 09:10:40 PM 369 Views
it's pretty simple actually: don't take advantage of someone who isn't in their right state of mind - 03/03/2015 11:21:54 PM 499 Views
But they are making it complicated - 04/03/2015 12:12:27 AM 546 Views
no, it's actually turning the burden of proof onto the accused as it should be - 04/03/2015 10:09:59 PM 696 Views
Re: no, it's actually turning the burden of proof onto the accused as it should be - 04/03/2015 11:29:00 PM 571 Views
Yes - 05/03/2015 09:21:41 PM 739 Views
Why are women having sex the only people immune from bad decisions while intoxicate? - 04/03/2015 03:59:31 PM 568 Views
who are you to decide what is rape and what is not? - 04/03/2015 09:55:35 PM 613 Views
The only rational one the in this conversation by all appearances. - 05/03/2015 02:39:56 AM 597 Views
So you're guilty until proven innocent?? - 06/03/2015 01:52:47 AM 796 Views
They get around all that proof stuff by keeping it out of the courts - 09/03/2015 04:34:21 PM 523 Views
And that shit is happening ALL THE TIME. - 09/03/2015 04:57:53 PM 617 Views
i think you may be pushing your personal bias on the author. - 06/03/2015 06:42:15 PM 716 Views

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