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who are you to decide what is rape and what is not? moondog Send a noteboard - 04/03/2015 09:55:35 PM

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If you get drunk and decide to rob a store you are held liable but if you get drunk and decide to blow all the guys in a Frat you are a victim? I noticed you couldn't resist using the term force which is nothing more than a weak attempt to tie actual rape (force) with something that isn't rape. I personally think it wrong to get a drunk hoping she will do things she wouldn't do while sober but that does make it crime.

i am going to have to take you at your word that you think taking advantage of "a drunk" "does make it a crime". but since i'm pretty sure you made another typo: rape is defined as unwanted sexual advance. there is nothing to say that "actual rape" exists, unless to say that "actual rape" means that something happened against the will of the person being raped.

this is why passing "yes means yes" laws are so important, because otherwise it's up to the victim to prove they said "no" at each and every point along the way, and that they were able to say "no" at each and every point along the way. this is incredibly difficult if the situation is someone who is too inebriated to say their own name coherently, much less agree or disagree to someone's sexual advances. and even more difficult if we have to assume that a good faith attempt at resistance has to have been attempted before we can call it rape. it's not for you to decide whether or not someone thinks they were raped, it's the victim's decision to pursue rape charges. and it's up to the accused to prove they did not rape the victim. if a victim says they were raped, they should be believed until it can be proven that they were not raped. end of story.

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It's worth reading the BBC and Telegraph articles your article links to. - 03/03/2015 06:23:32 PM 890 Views
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[citation needed] - 04/03/2015 10:13:38 PM 531 Views
They'd better enforce it equally *NM* - 03/03/2015 06:28:38 PM 266 Views
Just like hate crime is enforced equally? *NM* - 03/03/2015 07:10:45 PM 278 Views
Exactly. I don't have high hopes *NM* - 03/03/2015 09:10:40 PM 369 Views
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Re: no, it's actually turning the burden of proof onto the accused as it should be - 04/03/2015 11:29:00 PM 571 Views
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who are you to decide what is rape and what is not? - 04/03/2015 09:55:35 PM 614 Views
The only rational one the in this conversation by all appearances. - 05/03/2015 02:39:56 AM 597 Views
So you're guilty until proven innocent?? - 06/03/2015 01:52:47 AM 796 Views
They get around all that proof stuff by keeping it out of the courts - 09/03/2015 04:34:21 PM 523 Views
And that shit is happening ALL THE TIME. - 09/03/2015 04:57:53 PM 617 Views
i think you may be pushing your personal bias on the author. - 06/03/2015 06:42:15 PM 716 Views

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