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That's pretty much what a police lieutenant in my hometown said. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 05/12/2014 05:42:51 AM

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I think the complete disregard for the obvious distress he is in is much more damning than the way he was taken down. I know police have basic first aid training and they should have treated immediately for shock. They should have removed the handcuffs and monitored him, his clothing should have been loosened. I see little to no concern in this video for the health of Mr Garner. This video looks more like manslaughter to me than the other.

Not necessarily about the manslaughter, but he said that as part of the use of force SOP, for a small-town police department (2 square miles, 4,000 residents) that is hardly up to its neck in violent arrests, they have specific rules about making sure a handcuffed suspect can breathe properly. Once he's in cuffs, they are supposed to turn him right over. The grip around Garner's neck is not actually a choke-hold, it is a neck grab. It is a hold, used to bring him to the ground, not to choke him into submission. According to the Lt., they should not have been kneeling on his head or chest as long as they did.

But this is exactly the point I am making. These idiots all focus on the wrong things, and take up indefensible positions, and thus taint the arguments against police use of force. When cops are being accused of bullshit and told actions they know were not the cause of death are murderous, they and their supporters are going to get defensive, and not going to listen to the real issues. Absolutely no one has brought this up, instead choosing to emphasize the so-called choke-hold, in which the cop had one of his arms under the subject's armpit. That's not how you choke someone.

Cannoli
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That's pretty much what a police lieutenant in my hometown said. - 05/12/2014 05:42:51 AM 682 Views

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