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Eh. The UKIP is populist more than anything else. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/09/2014 07:02:10 AM

View original postI figured the Tories would do wonderfully in England and Northern Ireland, and have a decent showing in Wales. It seems the Scots are a bunch of Leftist crazies (though only 45% of them are certifiably crazy, apparently). I do like the 30 state idea (or maybe 20), though.

Labour seems as firmly entrenched in Wales as it is in Scotland - if not more so. Of the four elections in Wales so far, the Conservatives only came second, as opposed to third, in the last one - before that, they were not only way behind Labour but also behind Plaid Cymru. And they're still second by a very wide margin.

Northern Ireland has its own parties, but yeah, they might ally - then again, they might not; in the last election, one of the two mainstream Unionist parties openly allied itself to the Tories, only to lose its only remaining Westminster seat as a result.

View original postSadly, though, the UK has only one really conservative party - the UKIP.

I see the UKIP as largely comparable to the so-called far-right parties in continental Europe, though mostly without the racist tinge that many of these parties have (some of their elected members do have it, but the leadership generally doesn't). But still, comparable in the sense that they mostly just profit from the inability of the mainstream right-wing parties to give their voters what they want on every issue, as they are obligated to offer compromises and tack to the centre in campaigns in order to win elections. Tellingly, they also draw voters from the left, those who feel opposition to immigration is more important than economic policy - and in many cases the parties' economic stances are set accordingly, to the left of the mainstream right. That is also not the case with UKIP, but they certainly do have the populist element of promising whatever they like, realistic or not.

In the US this kind of voters sticks with the mainstream parties because there's really no alternative, they just have to try and win over their party. In European politics, where the executive is formed through a majority in parliament, party leadership has to have a stronger hold on its members of parliament, and there's less of a "big tent" aspect, voters who disagree strongly enough with the course of the party will generally just flock to another party, or create one. The UK is somewhere inbetween due to its first past the post system, and especially the Tories have long had a trend of independent-minded, generally Euro-sceptic "rebel" MPs, but as the UKIP has shown, smaller parties can gain prominence in the European Parliament elections, which are based on proportional representation. Now we'll see next year if they can subsequently translate that into seats in Westminster also - if they gain a few seats on their own, they might see more than just this one Tory MP defecting.

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Scotland voted No! - 19/09/2014 08:14:21 AM 1110 Views
Looking at all the resources provided in the thread below..... - 19/09/2014 02:50:34 PM 601 Views
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As am I. - 19/09/2014 07:39:29 PM 698 Views
They need to have four states along US lines with a Federal government. - 21/09/2014 12:02:21 AM 611 Views
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The current US gridlock is not a one-sided matter. - 22/09/2014 01:11:03 AM 589 Views
He's also the president - 23/09/2014 03:33:54 PM 690 Views
And each member of Congress won elections, too. - 23/09/2014 04:25:21 PM 626 Views
I couldn't care less about Obama - 23/09/2014 09:27:28 PM 770 Views
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It's not working *NM* - 27/09/2014 03:16:59 AM 313 Views
working better then any other system out there. *NM* - 29/09/2014 01:12:10 PM 334 Views
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Ha! *NM* - 29/09/2014 11:25:07 PM 314 Views
Yes, and democracy is an awful system - 26/09/2014 04:07:00 PM 596 Views
What hyperbolic nonsense. *NM* - 27/09/2014 03:18:07 AM 343 Views
None of that is hyperbole or nonsense. *NM* - 27/09/2014 11:18:50 PM 351 Views
How on earth do you figure that? - 21/09/2014 08:53:31 PM 633 Views
Oh, actually I like the multiple state idea better - 22/09/2014 01:09:12 AM 598 Views
Eh. The UKIP is populist more than anything else. - 22/09/2014 07:02:10 AM 760 Views
I fail to see that. - 22/09/2014 05:16:08 PM 665 Views
Your ancestors are rolling in their graves, Scots! *NM* - 20/09/2014 11:40:26 PM 264 Views
Which ancestors? The ones who signed the Act of Union probably aren't. *NM* - 22/09/2014 01:11:48 AM 265 Views
They're probably in hell *NM* - 22/09/2014 02:49:09 AM 271 Views
Hell is an independent Scotland, is it? I agree. *NM* - 22/09/2014 05:09:54 PM 265 Views
Actually, Hell is any kind of Scotland - 23/09/2014 11:07:50 PM 680 Views

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