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+1 AgentApple Send a noteboard - 27/07/2014 04:00:05 PM

View original postHaniya never accepted a two-state solution. You have to read his words: he accepted the notion of a resolution that saw a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders with a right of return and East Jerusalem for Palestine. However, every time Hamas talks about these "resolutions" they use the word hudna, which is still only a temporary truce that they are willing to execute while they are too weak to destroy Israel.


View original postThere may be some people in Hamas who are reasonable on this point, but they haven't made that point clear and they haven't used language that any reasonable government would be ready to rely upon. If you believe that Haniya and Meshal have unequivocally stated that they are willing to enter into a binding treaty with Israel (not just a hudna ), please provide some documentary evidence.

Sometimes they talk about a ten year ceasefire, which for the war weary sounds like forever.


View original postYou also believe the lie that Hamas is a political party. They aren't. If they were a political party, they would oversee elections and be willing to relinquish control if they lost. Any "political party" that doesn't do that is an authoritarian or totalitarian organization.


View original postYour statements reflect a certain naivete in your willingness to engage in moral equivalency. It is one thing for Likud's charter to say that Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria is to be encouraged or that the Jordan River is Israel's boundary - these are essentially negotiating positions. I could believe the same about Hamas' charter were it not for the genocidal nature of it, which is completely different from anything Likud has ever said: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews, until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"


View original postIf Hamas wanted to moderate, it had ample time to do so. Instead, since its takeover of Gaza in 2007 (which saw over 500 Fatah members murdered), it has regularly fired rockets at Israel, fought a few inconclusive wars, and dug in more extensively to prepare for the next one.

This is the difference between the Palestinians and the Kurds, god bless them. Had Gaza stopped stopped stockpiling and firing rockets and remained quiet for just a year, the blockade would have been lifted. Two years and Netanyahu would have been replaced.



View original postI guess the good news is that Israel seems to understand, after seeing how much Hamas was preparing for future wars rather than attempting to do anything for Gaza's civilians, that it needs to uproot the organization. Perhaps it can hand Gaza over to Fatah and lift the blockade, which would go a lot farther to achieving a two-state solution than talking to an organization that has stated goals of killing all Jews.

I agree completely. It's a fight to the death now. I think Israel should lower the flames and prolong the war for a year or two. Sooner or later the media will lose interest.


View original postMay the IDF prevail!

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Those morons in Gaza (i.e., Hamas) are at it again - Anonymous2000 - 18/07/2014 04:02:57 PM 1154 Views
If by awesome you mean execrable, then yes, you're right. Legolas - 18/07/2014 11:45:53 PM 657 Views
Sounds like someone doesn't like jews! Anonymous2000 - 19/07/2014 04:24:41 AM 589 Views
It's funny you should say that. Legolas - 19/07/2014 09:36:57 AM 669 Views
your criticism would be better applied to Palestine supporters random thoughts - 19/07/2014 11:50:37 AM 570 Views
+1 - Besides muslim countries, Europe in general is the last bastion of anti-semitism Anonymous2000 - 19/07/2014 01:12:36 PM 718 Views
Except for the US. And Russia. So pretty much every place that HAS a Jewish population. Joel - 23/07/2014 02:35:18 AM 594 Views
My criticism IS also applied to Palestine supporters. It's not an either/or deal. Legolas - 19/07/2014 09:03:51 PM 600 Views
Agreed on that much, certainly. Joel - 23/07/2014 03:05:22 AM 725 Views
Well, look who's back in the game! Legolas - 23/07/2014 07:44:45 PM 824 Views
Haltingly.... Joel - 07/08/2014 03:41:06 AM 649 Views
The only good thing about ancient interminable wars is that--more-- Joel - 13/06/2015 11:40:48 PM 504 Views
Only one necro post. What have you done with the real Joel? random thoughts - 14/06/2015 02:36:57 AM 547 Views
Well, it HAS been a year; had I not promised, I would not have responded at all after that long Joel - 14/06/2015 03:02:58 AM 599 Views
Oh lord. Legolas - 22/06/2015 10:08:22 PM 573 Views
"'Dialing for Dollars' is looking for me" Joel - 24/06/2015 04:48:51 AM 646 Views
At the risk of prompting another long ramble, I've no idea what that reference is to. Legolas - 24/06/2015 10:39:42 PM 531 Views
"Oh, Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz?!" Joel - 26/06/2015 12:41:48 PM 507 Views
I'm going to try to shorten and summarize this a bit... Legolas - 28/06/2015 11:21:28 PM 847 Views
It sounds like our only practical point of disagreement is Gazas status Joel - 29/06/2015 12:31:11 AM 575 Views
Pretty much, though I have a few factual quibbles with this post again. So much for shortening. Legolas - 29/06/2015 08:46:35 PM 563 Views
Shortening is for bakers Joel - 30/06/2015 10:59:59 AM 660 Views
I couldn't help but overhear... AgentApple - 19/07/2014 01:13:01 PM 643 Views
Good, I was hoping you'd drop by! Legolas - 19/07/2014 08:33:44 PM 758 Views
I strongly beg to differ with your position re: Hamas Tom - 26/07/2014 04:25:54 PM 523 Views
Sorry, I don't see that. Legolas - 26/07/2014 08:57:08 PM 611 Views
I guess if you believe the lies of Hamas your position makes sense. Tom - 27/07/2014 03:20:03 PM 557 Views
+1 AgentApple - 27/07/2014 04:00:05 PM 628 Views
I certainly don't believe everything they say, no. Legolas - 27/07/2014 06:43:51 PM 635 Views
As so often the Economist is the voice of common sense: Legolas - 29/07/2014 05:44:59 PM 659 Views
The Economist is the voice of London finance. Tom - 03/08/2014 03:22:47 AM 477 Views
That bias works out well for the purpose of finding pragmatic solutions for conflicts, though. Legolas - 03/08/2014 05:51:39 PM 681 Views
Or for creating casuist arguments in order to take a side based on self-interest... Tom - 05/08/2014 09:55:58 PM 571 Views
Honestly? Do you seriously believe that is the real reason why they wrote that? *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2014 09:17:17 PM 275 Views
the carrot and stick is somewhat apt, although israel should have given way more carrots to date moondog - 22/07/2014 08:57:13 PM 658 Views
So Israel should back the least radical Palestinian faction & construct Palestinian infrastructure? Joel - 23/07/2014 04:51:19 AM 618 Views
yes moondog - 23/07/2014 05:04:58 PM 770 Views
I pretty much agree with everything you said. AgentApple - 24/07/2014 09:46:22 AM 742 Views
Israel is 100% right to kill children playing soccer on the beach? you have reached a new low... *NM* moondog - 22/07/2014 08:59:50 PM 301 Views
No less than Hamas is 100% right to GET them killed hiding behind them Joel - 23/07/2014 04:38:55 AM 654 Views
these kids were playing soccer with *JOURNALISTS* they were not being used as human shields moondog - 23/07/2014 04:59:05 PM 634 Views
Why do you hate America? Joel - 23/07/2014 02:29:24 AM 624 Views
Bottom line - stop lobbing missles into Israel and the problem is solved. Anonymous2000 - 28/07/2014 03:35:46 AM 543 Views
It's a circle of violence. Both sides are the villian. MrFarstrider - 31/07/2014 03:50:52 AM 658 Views
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