Active Users:1175 Time:22/11/2024 03:53:59 PM
He's not the only lame duck in this, though. DomA Send a noteboard - 01/03/2014 05:41:01 PM

NATO, the EU, all of them seem out of real, usable leverage to stop Putin in that theater, and the little they have none seems to have the courage to use. Not sure what Obama can do in this context that wouldn't repeat his massive blunder of drawing a red line not to cross, when it's fairly clear the US allies are like Obama, mostly talk and very little real desire to pay the price of acting. Part of me say we should be willing to act, part of me fear what might come out of it, and part of me believes this round is again a foregone Putin victory anyway.

Holland and Obama couldn't even manage not to let Putin win a huge diplomatic victory over Syria, their lame efforts backfired and no doubt further convinced Putin he can stand his ground again, with Chinese backing, at not much more cost. The world let him have unhindered his propaganda Olympics that left an aftertaste of Berlin '36 without much of a fuss, they sure won't make him back down in his own backyard to prevent any form of Western intervention there, a precedent he fears and he's gonna stand his ground to not let happen, probably ready to withstand quite an escalation.

Sadly, the truth is probably that Putin's readier to let things escalate than the West is willing to do to force his hand and give his regime a lesson it more and more needs. If Putin decides to go in militarily, and it's likely already started (any one doubts the commandos at the parliament aren't barely disguised Russian elites troops?) and the official sending of Russian troops by the Kremlin to "secure" Crimea "temporarily" is a matter of days away at most, the West's weak answer will be pathetic, all the more since China's already in the diplomatic mêlée slamming the West's support of "putschists" and ready for an encore of its role backing Russia in the Syrian crisis.

I fear very much Putin's ready to call what looks dangerously like a new Western bluff, this time on the Ukraine question.

From all the hints in the last days, I'd bet Putin will soberly use as an excuse the protection of Russian ethnic populations in Crimea, a painful reminder of, notably, good Adolf's strategy for the Sudetenland, which the West will denounce but in the end will probably let pass (oh, we'll probably have summits on the Crimean question for years, we're good at that).

Not that I fear we're on the eve of WWIII - not quite - but I very much fear we're up for another painful to watch episode of shaming weakness and pathetic diplomacy on the part of the Western democracies. Obama is far from stellar in foreign affairs, to say the least, but he's surrounded by European, Canadian etc. leaders who aren't any better.

We better get used to a more and more repellent neo-Czarist Russia, with parts of its population expressing openly pretty damn frightening ideas - and a further cooling down of Western/Russian-Chinese relations.

Edit: It looks like I took too long to finish writing that post: (CNN)
"Russian lawmakers OK use of military force in Ukraine

Unanimous vote in upper house

Russian President Vladimir Putin sought the approval, saying the lives of Russian citizens and Russian military personnel are threatened in Crimea. "

I wonder what lame ass Hollywoodian reference John Kerry will use this time. Independence Day? The Avengers? Too bad for him it's a bitch and not a raccoon the Russians had sent in space...

In they (continue to) go...
This message last edited by DomA on 01/03/2014 at 05:58:21 PM
Reply to message
Don't Make me Laugh, Mr. Obama - 01/03/2014 03:14:50 AM 1391 Views
i like obama and even i think that was dumb of him. *NM* - 01/03/2014 05:24:39 AM 484 Views
yep yep. why do you hate on Kerry, though ? *NM* - 01/03/2014 08:11:52 AM 393 Views
He's a useless asshat. *NM* - 01/03/2014 04:14:54 PM 396 Views
He's not the only lame duck in this, though. - 01/03/2014 05:41:01 PM 912 Views
It's a little more complicated than that, I think. - 01/03/2014 07:42:20 PM 764 Views
It's always more complicated... - 01/03/2014 08:57:54 PM 757 Views
Yes yes yes. This. - 01/03/2014 09:11:19 PM 708 Views
Well, we split on that then - I most certainly do not support such an annexation. - 01/03/2014 10:25:48 PM 703 Views
Any reason you keep misspelling Sevastopol? - 02/03/2014 12:52:01 AM 893 Views
You write "the Ukraine", while calling me old-fashioned? - 02/03/2014 01:57:58 AM 763 Views
Yes. Dropping "the" is an anti-Russian move. It will always be the Ukraine. - 02/03/2014 02:58:32 AM 770 Views
Just because there's an article in Russian doesn't mean there has to be one in English. - 02/03/2014 11:21:25 AM 714 Views
I say the Sudan and the Congo. - 02/03/2014 02:17:33 PM 762 Views
You do? Why? - 02/03/2014 03:21:56 PM 845 Views
its going to be hard to find support from the West - 01/03/2014 06:37:15 PM 693 Views
Obama is weak and is viewed as a joke by most of the world. - 03/03/2014 04:12:25 PM 646 Views
Don't worry, not as much as the ape before him *NM* - 04/03/2014 03:23:14 PM 424 Views
So what's your plan of action? - 03/03/2014 11:25:59 PM 718 Views
My plan of action is to let Putin have Ukraine. We have no interests there. *NM* - 04/03/2014 01:29:45 AM 433 Views
Ehem. Why are you being anti-Russian? ;-) - 04/03/2014 01:25:37 PM 744 Views
Of course we do - 04/03/2014 04:57:09 PM 739 Views
Wrong. - 04/03/2014 06:04:31 PM 653 Views
that ignores the point - 06/03/2014 02:01:09 PM 895 Views
No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 02:57:16 PM 681 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 06:22:32 PM 740 Views
Yes, the US violated the agreement. - 06/03/2014 07:27:23 PM 791 Views
I have answered your question but you have still refused to answer my point - 07/03/2014 01:48:53 PM 724 Views
You assume that the Ukraine's borders should be inviolate. - 09/03/2014 05:56:45 PM 725 Views
Russia signed an agreement to not violate those borders - 10/03/2014 12:18:37 PM 689 Views
Oh, and now the West is talking about $15 billion in loans for Ukraine. - 05/03/2014 11:41:12 PM 684 Views
And you see that as the same thing as sending in troops? - 06/03/2014 01:37:28 PM 688 Views
I think you've listened to too much propaganda from the 1990s. - 06/03/2014 03:06:18 PM 656 Views
More like the 80s - 07/03/2014 01:50:43 PM 701 Views
So I guess traveling to Russia extensively is of no value. - 09/03/2014 05:58:00 PM 645 Views
in this case no it doesn't. - 10/03/2014 12:20:13 PM 670 Views
The junk they used in Chechnya was laughable... - 16/03/2014 01:51:28 AM 837 Views
Its a great time to throw some missiles in Poland - 04/03/2014 03:43:24 AM 737 Views
Call me crazy, but I like this idea! - 04/03/2014 12:31:07 PM 800 Views
There are no longer two super powers *NM* - 04/03/2014 04:40:16 PM 391 Views
Under Obama, it would seem there are none. *NM* - 04/03/2014 06:15:27 PM 375 Views
at Poland *NM* - 04/03/2014 08:09:14 PM 379 Views
In case you're not familiar with BMD - 04/03/2014 11:13:06 PM 780 Views
I know what you're talking about, I was just kidding around *NM* - 04/03/2014 11:41:20 PM 407 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 12:38:54 AM 400 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 01:00:57 AM 382 Views
Ron Paul, interestingly enough, agrees with me. - 04/03/2014 02:38:44 PM 695 Views

Reply to Message