I know its uncomfortable for people on the left to remember that Arms build up under Reagan is usually credited for ending the Cold War and you'll probably want to argue how that isn't so but several of the shutdowns were over the left balking at spending on Missiles. Another common cause was them fighting amongst themselves under Carter and a Dem House and Dem senate over whether or not Medicaid would pay for abortions and which kind. So there's your war and your healthcare analogies, do some research.

... Or as a combat veteran of the War on Terror I find it pretty fucking brazen you are calling me and my party terrorists, since I have first hand experience with the real thing.

Incidentally, on the whole 'the president shouldn't negotiate with terrorists' thing, don't you think that's a fairly lousy example to use when POTUS authorized negotiaitons with the Taliban?

I certainly have no major moral qualms about it, as I've already said I'm not sure about it strategically. Hence I am, by your definition a terrorist, since my concerns are principally strategic and not ethical.

Yes, Cruz is way over the top comparing anyone to Nazi's, that the Dems use parallel rhetoric routinely doesn't matter to you, nor your own use of terrorism which to me is on the same level as Nazism.

Uh, I take it you don't understand negotiation. Both sides have a laundry list of things they'd like, they take as much as they can get for as little as they can give. If the president throws out an offer for knocking SS up to 68 over a decade and a tie to Lifespan, or a federal right to work law something that tasty buys a lot of value. Here's how negotiation works, I know some things I want especially bad are probably less repugnant to you then some of the things I want a bit less and vice-versa, and the table is always open to things out of left field. The GOP has already made its request clear, and POTUS his unwillingness to meet them, a negotiation might result in a different or partial exchange.

Don't be an ass, of course we know why we shut it down, we loathe Obamacare and the nation is running huge deficits and huge unemployment we believe will only increase if Obamacare is enacted. Now you don't have to believe that is what will occur, but it is very clearly what we believe will occur. If you didn't have your head stuffed in an echo chamber that attributes over-the-top and often contradictory vile traits to my party you'd realize that.