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Oh, no, I got the point. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2013 01:48:01 AM

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View original postI am not playing the "words mean exactly the opposite of what Merriam-Webster says they do" game again. Just yesterday Steve King (R-NY) accused Obama of "abdicated responsibility as commander-in-chief" for seeking the very congressional authorization Republicans spent months threatening to impeach him for NOT asking. It is not even obstructionism anymore, but simply "everything Obama does is always wrong; WHAT he does is irrelevant to that statement." It is a side effect of the Senate Minority Leader declaring his partys top legislative priority was ensuring Obama is a one term president. How did that work out...?

The President is not required to get Congress's permission to use military force.

Tell that to all the people who have spent months threatening impeachment (as usual) if he did not seek congressional permission for force.
View original postHowever, Congress is the only body that can declare war. The President is supposed to inform and consult with Congress (in reality that is the Congressional leaders), cause they cut the checks. If it is going to be a sustained military activity, then the President needs Congress to pass some sort of funding mechanism. which is what Bush did.

As stated above, I agree with the War Powers Resolution there: A sustained military campaign is de facto war and should therefore require the Senates de jure declaration of such. However, as also stated above, since the Constitution never defines war the War Powers Resolutions constitutional validity is debatable. The funding mechanism is the 2012 US budget; declared wars inevitably receive specific appropriations each year, and anything less is covered under the general defense budget maintaining equipment, training and troop strength.
View original postWhat the President is getting criticized for now is that he has completely abdicated the decision to Congress, and then declared that he does not feel bound by their decision.

It is a completely cowardly position.


What the president is getting criticized for now and always is being a Democrat. While I agree all presidents have constitutional authority as commander-in-chief to order combat without Congressional consent, Republicans calling for impeachment if any Democrat (and only a Democrat) does so disagree.

That was their view with Clinton on Kosovo, Rwanda and Somalia (even though his predecessor ordered US troops into the last.) Likewise Iraq: They declared cruise missile enforcement of the No Fly Zone unconstitutional, wasteful and needless, insisting use of finite million dollar missiles was extravagantly costly and decreased US military readiness in a needless fight against an impotent unthreatening Saddam. Just three years later they insisted just as strongly we send hundreds of thousands of US soldiers on half a dozen or more exhausting demoralizing combat tours costing trillions of dollars to depose that same impotent non-threat.

With Obama it is same song, second verse: In 2012 we had to impeach him because he did not send US forces to help depose Libyas anti-US dictator, then had to impeach him because he did, then had to impeach him because he did not ALSO send ground forces to protect our consulate. Never mind your correct reminder that costs money Congress must approve, and House Republicans denied half a billion dollars in 2011 and 2012 embassy security funding because (as Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) put it after Benghazi) security funding was not a "priority." Somehow, despite all that, just a few weeks later Rep. Chaffetz suggested (you guessed it) impeachment over Benghazi; impeaching Obama is ALWAYS a priority for the party that declared limiting him to one term their top legislative priority in 2009.

Syria is the latest variation on a tired theme: First Obama should be impeached because he will not act, then because he will and now because seeking the very congressional approval the GOP demanded he seek. Seriously, wtf do they want from him? Even doing just as they command earns only continual public denunciation.

Obama is not asking congressional approval because he means to go forward even without it; he does not need it (as we both agree.) He is asking congressional approval for unpopular combat operations with little upside because he knows that approval is VERY unlikely, and its refusal will let him off the hook for his "red line" remark. He does not want to abdicate his constitutional AUTHORITY to order combat as commander-in-chief, but will not trumpet it too loudly since this whole exercise is solely to let him excuse breaking his pledge on the grounds he must abide by the peoples will and Congress' constitutional authority.

His vassilation still does not excuse the "loyal" opposition threatening impeachment for anything and everything he does, even things they spent six months demanding under that same threat of impeachment. That vicious partisanship at the expense of governance and the nations welfare is a big motive in his vassilation.

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