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Unsure; I like the War Powers Resolution approach, though I am unsure of its constitutionality. Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2013 01:49:15 AM

View original postI tend to agree with POTUS having sole control to authorize urgent strikes but Iraq, Libya, and now Syria were all cases where congressional approval should have been sought and for Libya it wasn't so I think he's making the ethical move to ask congress, even if it is obviously a political clever one too. Also I like making congress take formal stances on military action since otherwise they can claim whatever position is currently political advantageous down the road.

An attack is one thing and a campaign another, which is pretty much the WPRs stance; after a month or two of steady combat the distinction between a strike vs. de facto war is nominal and shrinking, so it should be the Senates call. Yet the Constitution does not explicitly require that, and DOES explicitly empower the POTUS as sole commander-in-chief, so whether the WPR is as legal as it is reasonable remains to be seen. It does have the advantage of clearly defined parameters though, whereas "urgency" or "imminence" are more subjective. I would not want to, say, miss the chance to get bin Laden because the opportunity was not considered urgent or the threat imminent enough to go without congressional notification and consent.
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View original postHave to admit that was smooth, if duplicitous: Obama neatly defused GOP claims a strike without congressional assent impeachably exceeds presidential authority, and when they inevitably refuse consent he can say he did not break his hasty "red line" pledge—he is just constitutionally bound to accept Congress' decision. Total crap, but it gives him a face saving out and drops all negative consequences in Congress' lap. Small chance they grant approval, after all; even if much of the public did not oppose a strike the House GOP majority will not even approve Obama blowing his nose, only try to impeach him for such "unconstitutional power abuse."

They might, unless it just gets murdered a lot of republicans and Hawk-ish Dems will vote for it on general principle same as other won't. They don't always act strictly in accordance with whether they like or dislike POTUS.

It may depend on whether he seeks a full joint resolution or just Senate approval (constitutionally, the latter would be more than adequate.) The Senate would probably go for it (though I know nothing that prevents a filibuster; Rand Paul will surely let us know ) but the House... well, perhaps the less said the better....
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View original postMeanwhile, of course, Assad will keep incidentally and indiscriminately slaughtering innocent civilians to target rebels, and Al Qaeda will keep using that to recruit more rebels. Hey, but the good news for Al Qaeda is: Ya'll wanted the West to stay the Hell out of ya'lls business, and we are doing just that. Enjoy!

Not all the Syrian rebels, or even likely most of them, are Al-Qaeda, anymore than those pissed at Mubarak were Muslim Brotherhood.

Not all, no, and it is hard get a head count in a civil war half a world distant, but it does look like a majority are Al Qaeda or affiliates.
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Rand Paul is a Leftist now? - 30/08/2013 01:13:17 AM 710 Views
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Re: So... a limited strike on Syria ? - 29/08/2013 10:43:15 PM 638 Views
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Unsure; I like the War Powers Resolution approach, though I am unsure of its constitutionality. - 01/09/2013 01:49:15 AM 728 Views
Nice theory, to bad it is crap - 01/09/2013 06:23:31 PM 551 Views
Again, Rand Paul is loony left now? - 01/09/2013 10:15:17 PM 764 Views
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Fox and Joe Lieberman=/=MSNBC either. - 02/09/2013 10:21:16 PM 703 Views
Yeah, I don't like any of it. - 01/09/2013 12:40:35 AM 582 Views
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How about no strike per the American people? Period. Fucking idiots in Washington. - 01/09/2013 05:01:13 AM 609 Views
To be fair, that was what the American people said in 1940 - 02/09/2013 05:19:46 AM 562 Views
Hall has frozen over... you are correct. - 02/09/2013 11:22:13 PM 611 Views
Well, glad we can agree on something. - 03/09/2013 02:00:21 AM 573 Views
That comparison is not valid. - 05/09/2013 09:25:38 PM 584 Views
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