Active Users:1209 Time:22/11/2024 07:43:22 PM
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution random thoughts Send a noteboard - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM

I have not read nor headed the entire speech but no where do I see the suggestion that Martin's action may have played a role in his death. I am not attacking Martin but that does not justify demonizing Zimmerman by canonizing Martin. He has a history of burglary and violience so there really outs no reason to believe Zimmermann' s description of his behavior is inaccurate. Stand your ground requires you believe you life is at risk so sorry no being followed doesn't meet that standard.

Obama asked us to consider what have happened had the races been reversed, ignoring of course the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic. The was a case in 2009 where black man shot a 17 year old white kind twice, once in the back and once in the chest. It was in NY with no stand your ground law and the reason given for shooting him he lunged at the man. No busted nos, he never even touched him. The man was found not guilty the only difference is see did get this national out pouring of sorrow and rage.

I would have liked to have seen Obama come out and say that a change in behavior will be needed if we to see a change in perception. Yes we can work on both but see little to evidence he is shooting instead a see the same tax based excuses. So no I do agree we need to work on both at once and as a nation we made great strides in perception but now we need to start doing more that pay the other side of the coin lap service and we need to stop c
alling people racist for mentioning there is another side. The problems with the black kmcommunity cannot ever remain not only the fault of the whites but taboo for them to mention.

Reply to message
"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama - 19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM 1401 Views
My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks - 19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM 728 Views
I think you're right - 19/07/2013 11:54:41 PM 678 Views
From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM 682 Views
Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM* - 20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM 302 Views
Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing. - 20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM 595 Views
Ditto. Except I didn't vote for him a second time. - 21/07/2013 01:34:54 AM 692 Views
Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over. - 20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM 604 Views
It makes a great deal of difference - 20/07/2013 04:40:55 AM 644 Views
C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM 780 Views
I can't like your reply enough. *NM* - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 310 Views
"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race - 20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM 645 Views
No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM 626 Views
for me his about what will work not what is fair - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 704 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 676 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 577 Views
He did not talk about the case - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 595 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 614 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 627 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 653 Views
As mentioned - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 696 Views
Re: As mentioned - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 614 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 692 Views
Em... not so sure I did. - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 545 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 720 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 726 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 299 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 273 Views
That's specious reasoning. - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 577 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 554 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 630 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 675 Views
I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 700 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 331 Views
So do lots of white kids. - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 535 Views
It is the truth, though. - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 593 Views
I do not agree. - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 616 Views
I know, and I find that weird. - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 632 Views
This is a complex issue. - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 549 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 547 Views
Yes - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 712 Views
Perusing. - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 614 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 291 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 582 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 283 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 618 Views
No, not really. - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 536 Views
My reply to Nossy above. - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 576 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 282 Views
That's not very nice. - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 640 Views
No, probably not. - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 591 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 657 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 577 Views
No, but he could have. - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 549 Views

Reply to Message