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No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in nossy Send a noteboard - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM

But I don't feel bad about challenging the concept. I do not think you are racist for saying what you think, but I also don't think we are being fair to the president in this particular instance. We're treating him like he shouldn't share his opinion because he's bound to take a side, and we might not like that.


View original postHe talked about looking through a set of experiences but that is true for both races. People do not operate through shared experiences or shared histories but through personal experiences.

This is only partially true. People my mother's age were treated poorly while we sorted out the civil rights issue. Why do you assume that the children of those people won't have learned any reflexive thoughts/actions from their parents and grandparents? I know that my personal reactions came from stories, and how I was told to act while driving through Gary; not from any instance of a person of color doing anything to me.

If we look at the centuries of war in the Middle East, I think I can say that I'm right that "memory" is definitely passed down, shared and that young people are immersed in the thoughts and feelings of their elders.


View original postI agree with him that we need to have an open and honest discussion about race but the first thing that has to happen is whites need to be able criticize the black community without being labeled racist.

I agree with this, but I honestly believe that you will keep hearing the comment I made in my original title if you keep acting like these people have no right to their feelings because they may not have personal ownership of it.
A specific black person may not have been ill-treated at the hands of someone of another race, but that does not mean that the expectation of racism hasn't been completely ingrained in them from childhood. After another few generations have passed, maybe your comments will be correct. Now, we are still living with people who weren't able to sit in the front of the bus. Can you really claim that you think you'd be over that by now?
View original postIf he wants to talk about the way people behaves around young black men he needs to start with the way young black men behave. I think if you could fix that problem the other would work it self out to large degree.

No, he does not need to start with the way "young black men" (since we're judging them all the same?) behave, though I do agree that it should be included. What you just said there is akin to: "but he was doing it too!"
View original postOf course pointing all that out makes me a racist.

No, it does not. I do not believe you are a racist (though your previous comment is pretty funny*, given the context), just outspoken. I believe people like you are very important, but I also think that we are big liarfaces when we pretend that they shouldn't have any right to sore feelings by this point.

*by "funny," I don't mean funny amusing

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"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama MrFarstrider - 19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM 1401 Views
My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks A Deathwatch Guard - 19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM 728 Views
I think you're right MrFarstrider - 19/07/2013 11:54:41 PM 678 Views
From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it random thoughts - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM 682 Views
Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM* everynametaken - 20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM 302 Views
Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing. Ghavrel - 20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM 595 Views
Ditto. Except I didn't vote for him a second time. everynametaken - 21/07/2013 01:34:54 AM 692 Views
Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over. Tom - 20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM 604 Views
It makes a great deal of difference MrFarstrider - 20/07/2013 04:40:55 AM 644 Views
C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. nossy - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM 780 Views
I can't like your reply enough. *NM* Rebekah - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 310 Views
"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race random thoughts - 20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM 645 Views
No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in nossy - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM 627 Views
for me his about what will work not what is fair random thoughts - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 704 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them nossy - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 676 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution random thoughts - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 577 Views
He did not talk about the case nossy - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 595 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? Isaac - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 614 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense nossy - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 627 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense Isaac - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 653 Views
As mentioned nossy - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 696 Views
Re: As mentioned Isaac - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 614 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making MrFarstrider - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 692 Views
Em... not so sure I did. nossy - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 545 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 720 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 726 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 299 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 273 Views
That's specious reasoning. Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 577 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 554 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* Avendesora - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 630 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 675 Views
People do forget that he's only half black - and more importantly, not "African American" at all. Legolas - 21/07/2013 07:08:28 PM 568 Views
I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". Avendesora - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 700 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 331 Views
So do lots of white kids. nossy - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 535 Views
It is the truth, though. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 593 Views
I do not agree. nossy - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 616 Views
Because he has publicly said that he has lived the life of a black man. Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:12:27 AM 524 Views
I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. nossy - 24/07/2013 08:21:04 AM 708 Views
Re: I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:22:58 PM 616 Views
I know, and I find that weird. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 632 Views
This is a complex issue. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 549 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 547 Views
Yes nossy - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 712 Views
Re: Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 11:31:03 PM 540 Views
Yes, Obama was raised by white people. Wikipedia says so, so it must be true! *NM* Macharius - 24/07/2013 04:16:31 AM 311 Views
Perusing. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 614 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 291 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman random thoughts - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 582 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 283 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm Macharius - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 618 Views
No, not really. Ghavrel - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 536 Views
I've thought about this a lot recently (prejudice + power = racism). nossy - 26/07/2013 10:36:16 AM 782 Views
so some liberal ivory tower racist redefined the word to mean they were no racist random thoughts - 26/07/2013 01:16:48 PM 599 Views
My reply to Nossy above. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 576 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* ironclad - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 282 Views
That's not very nice. MrFarstrider - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 641 Views
No, probably not. ironclad - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 591 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do MrFarstrider - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 657 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? Anonymous2000 - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 577 Views
No, but he could have. jh - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 549 Views
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