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From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM

He made the argument that if you support stand your ground then you would have to agree that Martin could have shot Zimmerman if had been armed because he feared for his life. That is a false argument because there is no evidence that Martin was scared, he could have made it to his father's house if he was truly scared and since he wasn't armed we it seems logical he would have done so if he feared for his life. There is also no evidence that Zimmerman every did anything worse than follow martin up to the point Martin started beating the crap out of him and bouncing his skull off the pavement. To argue the being followed is the same threat level has being straddled and beaten is beneath the office he holds and insults the intelligence of the American people (even if some dodge the insult by believing it is a valid argument).

His argument also supports the continued belief the Martin's race was a major factor in what happened despite the fact there is zero evidence to support that belief. When you believe something bad about someone based solely on their race and lacking any actual evidence isn't that almost the definition of racism?

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"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama - 19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM 1405 Views
My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks - 19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM 730 Views
I think you're right - 19/07/2013 11:54:41 PM 679 Views
From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM 685 Views
Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM* - 20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM 302 Views
Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing. - 20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM 598 Views
Ditto. Except I didn't vote for him a second time. - 21/07/2013 01:34:54 AM 695 Views
Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over. - 20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM 608 Views
It makes a great deal of difference - 20/07/2013 04:40:55 AM 646 Views
C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM 782 Views
I can't like your reply enough. *NM* - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 310 Views
"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race - 20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM 647 Views
No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM 629 Views
for me his about what will work not what is fair - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 706 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 678 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 578 Views
He did not talk about the case - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 597 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 617 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 629 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 655 Views
As mentioned - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 698 Views
Re: As mentioned - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 615 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 692 Views
Em... not so sure I did. - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 547 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 722 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 729 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 299 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 273 Views
That's specious reasoning. - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 580 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 555 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 634 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 677 Views
I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 702 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 331 Views
So do lots of white kids. - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 536 Views
It is the truth, though. - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 594 Views
I do not agree. - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 619 Views
I know, and I find that weird. - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 636 Views
This is a complex issue. - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 552 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 548 Views
Yes - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 715 Views
Perusing. - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 615 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 291 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 586 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 283 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 618 Views
No, not really. - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 538 Views
My reply to Nossy above. - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 578 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 282 Views
That's not very nice. - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 642 Views
No, probably not. - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 593 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 659 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 579 Views
No, but he could have. - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 550 Views

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