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MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 12/07/2013 11:59:24 PM

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Regardless, I'm not overly concerned with the minutiae because in this particular case (State vs. Zimmerman), the self-defense claim is built on several conflicting reports from Zimmerman himself and it's quite obvious they are simply an attempt to justify the homicide. In this particular case against Zimmerman there is no justification for homicide and that is why I believe he will get manslaughter rather than murder.

Zimmerman's claim that Martin was on top of him beating him up is based on physical evidence (wounds to Z, no wounds to M) and eye witness account. There is absolutely no impartial evidence as to who started the physical alteration. Zimmerman's story of being attacked by Martin has never wavered, supported by the physical evidence, and the history of Zimmerman's interaction with the police when he was reluctant to approach other suspicious individuals in the past (BTW: he has been a concealed car permit holder for 4 years, so he was probably armed then too).

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Looks like Zimmerman is going to be acquitted..... Anonymous2000 - 09/07/2013 08:54:18 PM 1246 Views
I've figured this since the first week of testamony imlad - 09/07/2013 09:06:59 PM 901 Views
I'm not sure someone being punished excessively is a good reason to mimic it Isaac - 09/07/2013 10:26:51 PM 646 Views
Excellent response, you covered everything I would have wanted to. *NM* A Deathwatch Guard - 10/07/2013 06:48:15 PM 318 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 11/07/2013 01:35:15 AM 258 Views
Nutty reply by you as usual.....but..... Anonymous2000 - 09/07/2013 10:36:45 PM 709 Views
coming from your side of the aisle, I take that as a compliment. :-) imlad - 11/07/2013 12:18:07 AM 856 Views
All right, let's talk about Yoda, this so-called 'wise' Jedi Grandmaster Isaac - 11/07/2013 01:34:57 AM 596 Views
Yep that Yoda. ranagrande - 11/07/2013 02:26:03 AM 750 Views
It is a time-honoured US criminal justice tradition after all Jay Sherman - 10/07/2013 10:06:35 PM 561 Views
The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. Tom - 10/07/2013 10:58:50 PM 580 Views
Re: The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. imlad - 11/07/2013 12:20:39 AM 721 Views
When one person is on top of another beating him up..... Anonymous2000 - 11/07/2013 04:22:02 AM 638 Views
As a person who has been trying not to follow the case Roland00 - 11/07/2013 04:07:01 PM 641 Views
Yeah, but you are forgetting something rather important HyogaRott - 11/07/2013 06:41:54 PM 671 Views
I am sorry but that is not quite true Roland00 - 11/07/2013 07:10:19 PM 676 Views
Go review the timeline it is available online. *NM* HyogaRott - 11/07/2013 07:22:43 PM 250 Views
I am having a hard time believing that you can justifiably kill in a fight you started and lost Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 09:51:00 PM 551 Views
It is a tough legal argument but it can occur. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 01:24:11 AM 577 Views
Home defense is an entirely separate situation than an aggressor losing a fight Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 10:13:42 PM 630 Views
It really isn't too hard to find, if you bother to look. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:41:35 PM 1091 Views
I understand the theory, and military court is not quite the same as common law, yes? Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 11:52:54 PM 638 Views
MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:59:24 PM 645 Views
Re: MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities Jay Sherman - 13/07/2013 12:21:06 AM 659 Views
I will stipulate to everything you just said, but disagree with your conclusion. HyogaRott - 13/07/2013 12:58:10 AM 637 Views
Stumbled accross the actual Florida statute that explicitly covers what I described. HyogaRott - 15/07/2013 04:28:06 PM 928 Views
There is no call for self-defense for a fight you initiated yourself Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 06:34:46 PM 649 Views
Once again, following someone doesn't justify assault. Anonymous2000 - 11/07/2013 07:34:09 PM 539 Views
Thank god the perpetrator got shot Roland00 - 11/07/2013 07:48:12 PM 595 Views
And once again, when did Zimmerman identify himself as the neighbourhood watchman? Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 08:59:28 PM 628 Views
He was under no legal obligation to do so. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 01:39:45 AM 608 Views
He was also under no legal obligation to follow Martin, despite being neighbourhood watchman Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 05:15:00 PM 757 Views
Except that there is exactly zero evidence to support your scenario. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 06:00:05 PM 674 Views
If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM 590 Views
You covered several areas... HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:28:18 PM 612 Views
A couple of points... Jay Sherman - 13/07/2013 12:15:47 AM 662 Views
I have to disagree about the manslaughter HyogaRott - 13/07/2013 12:45:32 AM 547 Views
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