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If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM

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It might well have occured exactly as you described it, but there is no proof that it did. There is not a single piece of physical evidence that supports the theory that Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation. The only piece that even comes close to indicating something of that nature is the testimony of his girlfriend, who has absolutely no credibility becasue she has changed her story and told several documented lies. On the other side you have actual recordings of Zimmerman's phone call with the police when he states that he has lost sight of Martin and is returning to his truck to await the police.

Zimmerman is, beyond a doubt, an idiot, and apparently a complete wuss when it comes to fighting, but neither of those is a crime.

On a side note I found it rather amusing (or sad) how the prosecuter in his closing talked about (his assumptions of) Zimmerman's assumptions that night (kid was on drugs, a criminal, and appeared to be casing the homes for robery) and how they were wrong (when they were actually rather correct, Martin had THC in his system, and had been previously caught with burglery tools and stolen jewlry). Can anyone explain to me why the prosecuter is able to characterize Martin in this way, but the defense is not able to introduce rebuttal evidence?


There is a single piece of evidence, actually. If you look at the crime scene photo of Martin's body, the string on his hood is pulled almost completely out. How would it have gotten to that state if someone was not pulling on it? And since it's highly unlikely Martin was trying to actively close his hood in the middle of a struggle, the only other person who could have possibly had any effect on it is Zimmerman. It may not have happened the way I described, but the only person who could refute the account is dead.

Also, there is no evidence that Zimmerman knew anything of Martin's history, so it is immaterial to the defense to bring anything that does not involve the night of the shooting to trial. Unless it can be proven that Zimmerman had foreknowledge of Martin's life in any way, shape, or form before encountering him that night, there is no legal justification to use it other than to paint a negative picture of Martin to retroactively justify the shooting. i.e. -- "It's a good thing Zimmerman shot Martin, as he was obviously a career criminal."

It's also telling to me that you would bring up such accusations, especially since the jewelry and "burglary tool(s)" were never connected to any reported stolen items or crimes, and there is no evidence Martin actually stole from anyone, or was accused of stealing from anyone, that I can tell. And the "burglary tools" in question are nothing more than a single screwdriver. Because, obviously, an American black teenager has no use for a screwdriver unless he is committing a burglary.

It's as I said in my original reply: Kill an unarmed black man, invent a lie to justify self-defense and get acquitted of murder. The fact that you seem to believe the aspersions of Martin's character say that you buy into this American narrative that young black males are automatically criminals first and therefore killing them is justified as long as a self-defense narrative can be established afterwards. I would not presume to judge your character based on this, but I hope you can see that it is a problem to buy into this type of stereotyping.

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Looks like Zimmerman is going to be acquitted..... - 09/07/2013 08:54:18 PM 1246 Views
I've figured this since the first week of testamony - 09/07/2013 09:06:59 PM 901 Views
I'm not sure someone being punished excessively is a good reason to mimic it - 09/07/2013 10:26:51 PM 647 Views
Excellent response, you covered everything I would have wanted to. *NM* - 10/07/2013 06:48:15 PM 318 Views
Thanks *NM* - 11/07/2013 01:35:15 AM 258 Views
Nutty reply by you as usual.....but..... - 09/07/2013 10:36:45 PM 710 Views
coming from your side of the aisle, I take that as a compliment. :-) - 11/07/2013 12:18:07 AM 858 Views
All right, let's talk about Yoda, this so-called 'wise' Jedi Grandmaster - 11/07/2013 01:34:57 AM 597 Views
Yep that Yoda. - 11/07/2013 02:26:03 AM 750 Views
It is a time-honoured US criminal justice tradition after all - 10/07/2013 10:06:35 PM 561 Views
The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. - 10/07/2013 10:58:50 PM 580 Views
When one person is on top of another beating him up..... - 11/07/2013 04:22:02 AM 638 Views
As a person who has been trying not to follow the case - 11/07/2013 04:07:01 PM 641 Views
Yeah, but you are forgetting something rather important - 11/07/2013 06:41:54 PM 671 Views
I am sorry but that is not quite true - 11/07/2013 07:10:19 PM 676 Views
Go review the timeline it is available online. *NM* - 11/07/2013 07:22:43 PM 250 Views
There is no call for self-defense for a fight you initiated yourself - 11/07/2013 06:34:46 PM 649 Views
Once again, following someone doesn't justify assault. - 11/07/2013 07:34:09 PM 539 Views
Thank god the perpetrator got shot - 11/07/2013 07:48:12 PM 595 Views
And once again, when did Zimmerman identify himself as the neighbourhood watchman? - 11/07/2013 08:59:28 PM 628 Views
He was under no legal obligation to do so. - 12/07/2013 01:39:45 AM 608 Views
He was also under no legal obligation to follow Martin, despite being neighbourhood watchman - 12/07/2013 05:15:00 PM 757 Views
Except that there is exactly zero evidence to support your scenario. - 12/07/2013 06:00:05 PM 674 Views
If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM 591 Views
You covered several areas... - 12/07/2013 11:28:18 PM 614 Views
A couple of points... - 13/07/2013 12:15:47 AM 662 Views
I have to disagree about the manslaughter - 13/07/2013 12:45:32 AM 547 Views

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