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Re: HA! HA! That is a great quote..... Isaac Send a noteboard - 31/05/2013 07:06:27 AM

View original postI'm not sure of an actual definition of conservatism, but here is how I look at things:


View original post1. Two difference types of conservatism.....fiscal and social.


View original post2. How willing you are to "compromise" is probably the best way to define moderate to extreme.


View original postPretty simple, but not that detailed! I would define myself as very to even extremely fiscally conservative, but not conservative whatsoever on social issues (not that I agree with liberals on these topics, but I honestly don't care about them.....too worried about the size/scope/waste of government).

It varies so much, some 'fiscal hawks' are very generous with military or NASA for instance but would freak out if a local director bought a $25 coffee machine for the break room and hold a press conference if they found out that same machine was on sale the next town over for $19.99. Everybody - even libertarians - have some serious blind spots for their pets.

I consider myself a social conservative, I don't consider my indifference to pot or pro-gay attitude to contradict that. People have been changing what 'social conservative' means, and when you break it into fiscal and social exclusively then anything that isn't an issue as a first order effect on the economy is 'social', examples:

Guns
Abortion
Education
Police
Religious Rights
Gay Rights
Gender Rights
State's Rights
Capital Punishment
Assisted Suicide
Drugs
Booze
Cigarettes
Health Laws
Consumer Safety
Gambling
Prostitution
Environment

Those are all either near exclusively social or primarily social over economic. Doesn't even get into mixed issues like Welfare or Urban Renewal, which is as much social as economic. Right now people say 'social' but they mean "Homos and hasheesh" when even the people I know in the party who are pretty firm on gays and drugs don't care about them that much. Now I break with the right on some of that above list, and have some more I'm torn on, I don't care about pot but I dislike it and I'm not comfortable legalizing PCP for instance. But I still line up on most things and most republicans do. That's why I don't like 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative' because that is very vague, and mos tof these issues aren't really very related. What the hell do guns have to do with the environment, and why is it that people with an opinion on one will generally have a specific opinion on the other? Why are some people opposed to gambling, but make an exception for churches and state lottos, and why doesn't that permit state whorehouses by the same logic? Now that would 'generate revenue'.

Anyway, I'm tangenting, seem to be doing that tonight a lot, but there are political philosophies that have specific core principles - like Locke or Marxism or Objectivism - and there's 'general tones' like disapproving of booze, drugs, whoring, etc as a package, but that really doesn't translate over to things as nebulous as Social or Fiscal.

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