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Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM

He's talking about the present day as well and sees us as a colonial power even today.

Even so, people can't just play the "colonialism" card as a means of abdicating personal responsibility. There are a few countries in Africa and Asia that always complain about it, while others just focus on developing and improving things.

The simple fact is that the vast majority of Muslims are intolerant by our standards (see the latest Pew survey on sharia, apostasy and how many have non-Muslim friends), and a significant minority are violently so.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2998 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 971 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 868 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 931 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1487 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. Hieshyn - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1595 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 884 Views
FALSE! Dannymac - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1600 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1551 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1774 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1578 Views
...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM 968 Views
Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role. HyogaRott - 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM 1589 Views
Net result: All of God's children can enter into Heaven. Hieshyn - 30/05/2013 05:26:20 PM 1799 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1867 Views
Ok....and? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1446 Views
You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM* Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM 892 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 922 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1519 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 955 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1561 Views
LOL. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1500 Views
Violence.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1540 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1370 Views
You are something... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1442 Views
We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM 953 Views
To be fair, that is a good journey to make. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:51:17 AM 1483 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 924 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1419 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1505 Views
Yes. nossy - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1429 Views
Re: Yes. Isaac - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1513 Views
Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM 1711 Views
You know better than that. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1500 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion Isaac - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1587 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 860 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way Isaac - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1455 Views
... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 907 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* Isaac - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 853 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. Cannoli - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1476 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry snoopcester - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1370 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1542 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. Nebhead - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1501 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1497 Views
Your argument is logically flawed Tom - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1579 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1595 Views
No, it actaully does not. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1559 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up Nighthawk - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1402 Views
Exactly HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1488 Views
Couple of things nossy - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1827 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1648 Views
Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support." nossy - 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM 1440 Views
There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM 1483 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1502 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... Isaac - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1506 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1531 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1374 Views
That's a shame. Legolas - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1358 Views
Re: That's a shame. Isaac - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1382 Views
Re: That's a shame. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1337 Views
Sure, I'll bite. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1537 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1435 Views
I hope you like black and white. nossy - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1359 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1438 Views
I think I must have confused you. nossy - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1346 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1415 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1443 Views
Yawn. Bored now. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1396 Views
whatever *NM* HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 803 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? Joel - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1694 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1557 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here Tom - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1774 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1371 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. Tom - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1468 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1443 Views
Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM 1605 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1630 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* ironclad - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 806 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 871 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1547 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1462 Views
The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM 1433 Views
Oh, so its our fault... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1421 Views
It's always our fault *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 1000 Views
In general, I agree nossy - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1586 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1469 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 920 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1513 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1347 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1564 Views
Exactly. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1497 Views
Hyperbole? nossy - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1348 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1613 Views
No, I really don't think so. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1404 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1365 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. Legolas - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1538 Views
It's accurate. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 890 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. nossy - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1424 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1544 Views
Hm nossy - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1493 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1512 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1457 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 872 Views
No ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1510 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1464 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1445 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 910 Views
I already knew ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1383 Views
Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM 1522 Views
No. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1419 Views
Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM 1452 Views
Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM 1343 Views
What a load of bullshit. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1434 Views
I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM 1460 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1576 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers random thoughts - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1549 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. Legolas - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1407 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1513 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* Legolas - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 844 Views
No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM 1464 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1452 Views
Well yes. nossy - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1396 Views
I would prefer to say that random thoughts - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1596 Views
Of course you would. nossy - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1510 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1598 Views
Ok. nossy - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1598 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1822 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1661 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. snoopcester - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1515 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? ßelals Girl - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1497 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 903 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 838 Views
Statistically snoopcester - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1557 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1545 Views
Hardly any snoopcester - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1679 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 805 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 1363 Views
"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM 1363 Views
I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark Isaac - 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM 1418 Views
I think probably not. nossy - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1458 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 831 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 822 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 831 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1394 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 871 Views
Yes, he did. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1422 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 880 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1358 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. nossy - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1480 Views
You mean like this? Larry - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1566 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid random thoughts - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1400 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 851 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such Larry - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1460 Views
Yes it does. Anonymous2000 - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1457 Views
*sigh* Larry - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1330 Views
I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM 867 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1373 Views
no but they do tell a story random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1288 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1460 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* Stephen - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 870 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1644 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? dart_board - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2189 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1521 Views
Just as a little aside Tom - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1397 Views
Ever helpful. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1604 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2171 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1575 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2150 Views
I'm having warm feelings. nossy - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1546 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. dart_board - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1967 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " Joel - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1780 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* Dan - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1164 Views
How much did you miss it, really? Joel - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1483 Views
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