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That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas Send a noteboard - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM

Making clear that you feel personally involved when an accusation is made about actions committed not even by your present-day countrymen, but by their ancestors several generations ago. Or in fact, when you get right down to it, the USA wasn't much of a colonizing power - so perhaps not even the ancestors of your own countrymen, but the ancestors of people living in other Western nations.

You're right of course that individuals bear ultimate responsibility for their actions... but if you still consider yourself connected to the ancestors of your countrymen and people even further removed from you, in such a way that you talk about "us" when they are criticized, I'm sure you can see how such thinking leads to people taking "revenge" for events that did not actually directly impact themselves. People's decisions are influenced by what happens around them, and not even only by what happens around them personally in their own time and place, as you are proving yourself.

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2893 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 896 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 814 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 868 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1381 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1478 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 818 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1496 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1441 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1673 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1467 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1758 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1319 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 861 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1401 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 899 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1447 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1383 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1424 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1250 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1314 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 875 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1320 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1396 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1325 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1378 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1381 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1467 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 804 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1338 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 850 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 796 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1365 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1260 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1441 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1374 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1388 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1464 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1482 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1446 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1284 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1378 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1712 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1538 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1397 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1390 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1414 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1264 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1212 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1283 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1226 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1408 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1315 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1252 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1325 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1229 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1303 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1335 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1257 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 739 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1582 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1446 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1665 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1249 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1374 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1336 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1491 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 749 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 806 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1439 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1325 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1317 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 939 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1479 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1330 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 861 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1407 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1243 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1465 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1374 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1211 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1485 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1282 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1262 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1421 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 831 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1316 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1429 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1384 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1410 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1356 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 807 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1404 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1357 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1329 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 858 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1292 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1315 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1319 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1463 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1445 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1285 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1404 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 791 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1336 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1292 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1491 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1406 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1484 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1486 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1708 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1544 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1408 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1385 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 845 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 783 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1460 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1448 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1567 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1351 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 769 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 763 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 757 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1276 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 804 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1319 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 806 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1243 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1375 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1442 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1266 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 795 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1351 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1348 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1229 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1247 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1191 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1369 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 801 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1540 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2071 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1422 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1291 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1488 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2048 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1450 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2020 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1431 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1856 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1674 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1071 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1369 Views

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