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You are something... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM

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I judge you because of the way you cast aspersions on other faiths and then tie yourself in knots in an attempt to justify your own doing the same thing.

"I judge you..." As if you were in any position in the first place.

Secondly, I am not casting aspersions on other faiths...they do that themselves. Those other faiths are about earning your way to heaven (or nirvana). They are about following the rules so that one day you can do it yourself...you can get there all on your own. All those other religions are about working hard with the most selfish of motivations.

Christianity isn't that at all. A christian doesn't do good works to earn their salvation. Christ already redeemed the individual. The Christian does the work because they have the desire and compassion to tangibly show someone the love of Christ. The shift in mindset is everything.

And seriously, you act as though all violence is "bad". It isn't. There was nothing wrong with Christ whipping out the theieves in temple. There was nothing wrong in stopping the Nazi's from overtaking all of Europe & exterminating all the Jews living there. You're the one getting all bent out of shape here, not I.

~Jeordam

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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2810 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 855 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 767 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 840 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1321 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. Hieshyn - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1410 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 782 Views
FALSE! Dannymac - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1421 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1379 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1590 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1391 Views
...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM 870 Views
Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role. HyogaRott - 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM 1386 Views
Net result: All of God's children can enter into Heaven. Hieshyn - 30/05/2013 05:26:20 PM 1595 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1675 Views
Ok....and? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1250 Views
You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM* Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM 808 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 826 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1322 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 868 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1386 Views
LOL. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1327 Views
Violence.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1338 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1182 Views
You are something... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1249 Views
We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM 852 Views
To be fair, that is a good journey to make. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:51:17 AM 1285 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 841 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1239 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1328 Views
Yes. nossy - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1244 Views
Re: Yes. Isaac - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1290 Views
Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM 1521 Views
You know better than that. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1310 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion Isaac - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1391 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 770 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way Isaac - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1266 Views
... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 810 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* Isaac - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 762 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. Cannoli - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1282 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry snoopcester - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1202 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1357 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. Nebhead - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1286 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1306 Views
Your argument is logically flawed Tom - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1384 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1401 Views
No, it actaully does not. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1378 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up Nighthawk - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1188 Views
Exactly HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1308 Views
Couple of things nossy - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1629 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1466 Views
Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support." nossy - 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM 1253 Views
There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM 1258 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1328 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... Isaac - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1309 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1330 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1188 Views
That's a shame. Legolas - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1129 Views
Re: That's a shame. Isaac - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1218 Views
Re: That's a shame. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1145 Views
Sure, I'll bite. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1325 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1236 Views
I hope you like black and white. nossy - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1176 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1258 Views
I think I must have confused you. nossy - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1143 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1237 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1261 Views
Yawn. Bored now. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1187 Views
whatever *NM* HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 708 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? Joel - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1503 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1372 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here Tom - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1595 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1170 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. Tom - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1304 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1271 Views
Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM 1428 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1416 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* ironclad - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 713 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 776 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1372 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1233 Views
The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM 1221 Views
Oh, so its our fault... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1261 Views
It's always our fault *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 904 Views
In general, I agree nossy - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1400 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1248 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 833 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1333 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1182 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1383 Views
Exactly. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1292 Views
Hyperbole? nossy - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1132 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1397 Views
No, I really don't think so. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1193 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1184 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. Legolas - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1357 Views
It's accurate. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 791 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. nossy - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1244 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1364 Views
Hm nossy - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1305 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1326 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1286 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 772 Views
No ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1327 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1291 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1262 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 824 Views
I already knew ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1216 Views
Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM 1348 Views
No. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1238 Views
Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM 1249 Views
Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM 1156 Views
What a load of bullshit. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1242 Views
I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM 1281 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1396 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers random thoughts - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1375 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. Legolas - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1216 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1332 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* Legolas - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 751 Views
No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM 1255 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1255 Views
Well yes. nossy - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1214 Views
I would prefer to say that random thoughts - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1423 Views
Of course you would. nossy - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1335 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1397 Views
Ok. nossy - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1399 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1629 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1473 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. snoopcester - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1344 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? ßelals Girl - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1311 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 812 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 743 Views
Statistically snoopcester - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1395 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1367 Views
Hardly any snoopcester - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1489 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 724 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 1192 Views
"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM 1189 Views
I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark Isaac - 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM 1218 Views
I think probably not. nossy - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1275 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 738 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 729 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 720 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1199 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 767 Views
Yes, he did. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1258 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 759 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1189 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. nossy - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1289 Views
You mean like this? Larry - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1378 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid random thoughts - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1197 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 759 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such Larry - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1280 Views
Yes it does. Anonymous2000 - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1274 Views
*sigh* Larry - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1156 Views
I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM 780 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1159 Views
no but they do tell a story random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1117 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1305 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* Stephen - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 772 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1442 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? dart_board - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 1984 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1332 Views
Just as a little aside Tom - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1206 Views
Ever helpful. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1401 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 1944 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1366 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 1942 Views
I'm having warm feelings. nossy - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1364 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. dart_board - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1779 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " Joel - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1586 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* Dan - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1026 Views
How much did you miss it, really? Joel - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1292 Views
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