That people aren't dying in the US because they can't afford medical care?
If that is your point it is simply not true.
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If that is your point it is simply not true.
NaCl(health care in the US is already rationed, by money)H2O

I am saying I have no idea how you keep boiling my arguments down to one sentence, take it out of all context, and expect me to reply. I took the time earlier to do a point by point reply to every single thing you said.
As for that sentence, which I have not said, please don't stick words in my mouth.
You seem fixated on this though, so let me point out your logic flaw.
People are in fact dying daily who would not otherwise die with greater medical care.
I'm not sure why you think I'd debate that, unless you're the sort who think idealogical rivals are by definition stupid. Why this somehow means that blatantly annexing health insurance and/or all healthcare would somehow automatically be justified by this I have no idea. Let's looks at some other absolute truths:
People are dying because they can't afford to rotate their tires, a well known contributing factor in many car wrecks, car accidents being one of the leading types of primarily avoidable deaths.
People are dying in northern regions every year, due to the cold, and an inability to afford a back up generator for when the power goes out.
People are dying younger than they should all the time because of poor diets, often because they lack the time and/or money to eat more properly and suck down a quick cheeseburger.
You can go on and on down that list with examples ranging from the serious to the trivial, in none of these cases does 'direct and immense' government intervention magically spring from it without any in-between debate. You can not simply use 'people are dying because they can't afford proper medical care' as an unopposable battering ram to just state 'nationalize healthcare'.
Because it all boils down to the same statement "People are dying because they are poor" which really boils down to "Money has direct advantages" which is sort of the point of the stuff.
If healthcare, why not auto maintenance? We can nationalize mechanics so everyone can go in for a free lube, oil change and tire rotation. We can buy everyone who lives in the snow belt backup generators, of course it would be cheaper to bury the lines, of course that would be expensive too. We'd have to get the money from somewhere, maybe by cutting funding to something else?
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Senate Finance Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan
29/09/2009 09:08:40 PM
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I just hope this doesn't squash all health-care reform attempts
29/09/2009 09:12:15 PM
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It definitely needs work, but not scrapped.....
29/09/2009 09:16:32 PM
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Opinion polls with health care have huge swings depending on how it's phrased
29/09/2009 09:28:28 PM
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Polls are horrid evidence in my mind
29/09/2009 09:32:58 PM
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Re: Polls are horrid evidence in my mind
29/09/2009 10:12:26 PM
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Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 10:29:13 PM
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Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 11:21:21 PM
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Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 11:40:42 PM
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his statements on health care are precisely my point, but much more well stated. *NM*
29/09/2009 11:54:29 PM
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Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO
29/09/2009 11:44:58 PM
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Re: Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO
30/09/2009 12:28:36 AM
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that the private sector has a long history of abusing both customer and employee *NM*
30/09/2009 03:46:03 AM
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That's indisbutable
30/09/2009 05:55:45 PM
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It doesn't work at all
30/09/2009 04:27:44 AM
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i have yet to see any evidence of malpractice insurance being a driving cost of health care
30/09/2009 05:27:34 AM
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When the malpractice insurance can cost well over $100k a year of course it effects the costs.
30/09/2009 06:21:29 AM
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it's not THAT they pay malpractice
30/09/2009 02:00:04 PM
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but doctors are *required* to buy malpractice insurance
30/09/2009 04:13:08 PM
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that's completely moot to the situation malpractice insurance causes.
30/09/2009 04:21:42 PM
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hooray, we're going to continue in mediocrity when it comes to our health
29/09/2009 10:15:00 PM
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That is a decade old and horribly discredited citation
29/09/2009 11:46:51 PM
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regardless, we still spend a lot more on health care while having too many uncovered people
29/09/2009 11:56:24 PM
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My objection, in this context, is strictly about references
30/09/2009 12:13:40 AM
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i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 12:54:25 AM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 01:15:30 AM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 12:24:45 PM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 06:29:09 PM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 10:57:36 PM
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Interesting...
01/10/2009 12:09:35 AM
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So basically you are saying?
01/10/2009 01:10:22 AM
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Basically...
01/10/2009 02:52:51 AM
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Hooray! The government isn't going to get directly involved and make HC even worse! *NM*
30/09/2009 01:03:50 AM
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