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No you really can't HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 23/04/2013 05:59:04 PM

Our Constitution has a basis in the presumption of innocence. Requiring background checks, before utalizing a Right that the Constitution states "shall not be infringed" reverses that presumption.

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I understand WHY folks might be inclined to favor such a restriction, but it is against the plain language of our Constitution. It has been allowed, but that does not make it right. The proper thing to do is change the Constitution to allow it, not ignore it. IF the often quoted statistic that 90% of the people support it then changing the Constitution to allow it would be simple. Odd, that nobody has tried to do so. It makes me question how much of htat 90% is PR spin, and how much is real.

Polls are always tricky since the question that is asked can be misleading. I reccomend actually looking at the question that is asked in that 90% poll, and then questioning how many of those respondents were aware that ALL gun sales by a liscensed dealer are already subject to a background check, and that the majority of selelrs at "gun shows" are liscensed dealers. The only transaction that does not require a federal check (which is much more combursome and expensive than most realize) is a private sale from 1 individual to another.

Furthermore, how would the Federal government even know an individual passed a weapon to another individual if there was not an illegal list of who had what weapon to begin with? Additionally, what combination of drugs makes anyone beleive that someone who is a criminal would comply with this new requirement when they are alerady a criminal?

The net effect would be to place a burdonsome tax on ALL transactions and set a far reaching precedent further restricting the 2nd amendment and attacking the 4th and 5th.

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Just to be clear... - 20/04/2013 03:32:07 AM 1092 Views
Of course it is - 20/04/2013 04:18:27 AM 520 Views
But, they is us - 23/04/2013 03:13:27 AM 684 Views
First of all, I don't believe that 90% of the population support it - 23/04/2013 04:55:02 AM 721 Views
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ROFL *NM* - 20/04/2013 05:21:11 AM 275 Views
Bazinga! Well done..... *NM* - 21/04/2013 03:24:34 PM 272 Views
Well played - 23/04/2013 03:20:34 AM 783 Views
No you really can't - 23/04/2013 05:59:04 PM 681 Views
That's the most amusingly incomprehensible attempt at constitutional analysis I've read in a while. *NM* - 26/04/2013 10:47:18 AM 272 Views
How so? It made sense to me - 26/04/2013 03:10:11 PM 524 Views
Presumption of innocence isn't part of the constitution. - 26/04/2013 09:30:17 PM 556 Views
I think that's being a bit pedantic, to be kind - 26/04/2013 11:13:33 PM 767 Views
So is your post. - 28/04/2013 08:41:16 AM 538 Views
I'm not sure how - 28/04/2013 02:46:00 PM 607 Views
I am not trying to pick a fight with you or anyone else. I'm very curious. - 29/04/2013 02:34:19 PM 579 Views
yes *NM* - 20/04/2013 06:26:27 AM 346 Views
Same. Willing to hear counterarguments, though. *NM* - 21/04/2013 02:59:33 PM 330 Views
about 90% of the country agrees with that but still Obama can't close the deal. - 21/04/2013 04:24:15 PM 750 Views
Yep - 23/04/2013 03:47:12 AM 756 Views
90% also believes constanly blaiming others for your own failure is a sign of weakness - 23/04/2013 04:55:53 AM 637 Views
You're smarter than this - 23/04/2013 06:41:09 AM 540 Views
but is wasn't heavily favored it just polls well - 24/04/2013 05:56:41 PM 636 Views
..and that is where the misinformation comes into play - 24/04/2013 07:35:51 PM 591 Views
And that reply makes my point - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 661 Views
And that reply makes my point - 26/04/2013 05:49:53 PM 665 Views
I wonder which other Constitutional rights should require a background check to excercise? *NM* - 22/04/2013 08:56:15 PM 240 Views
How about just the ones that can have potentially lethal consequences for other citizens? - 23/04/2013 03:56:25 AM 654 Views
freedom os speech can be a dangerous thing - 23/04/2013 04:58:02 AM 567 Views
As you know - 28/04/2013 12:11:04 PM 627 Views
Why yes, yes I do... - 23/04/2013 05:43:29 PM 670 Views
I agree - 28/04/2013 12:55:13 PM 743 Views
Re: I agree - 05/05/2013 11:24:37 AM 631 Views
Just to be clear: another hypocrisy of the right wing - 04/05/2013 06:37:31 PM 770 Views
When posting into dead threads it helps to A) Be on topic or B) Make intelligent points - 04/05/2013 08:08:46 PM 4822 Views
That's not true at all. - 05/05/2013 09:45:17 AM 518 Views
*I* have a complex about dead threads? - 05/05/2013 10:36:15 AM 634 Views

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