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Just to be clear SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM
My 'angle' on this is that the original incident was so mucked up by poor and in some cases flat out illegal behaviour on the part of the state that there is NO WAY to know the real truth.

*IF* he really did do everything that the original indictment claimed (and it's a pretty big if) then yeah, he should have been hit a LOT harder than he was.

However people who do things like that don't usually do them just once - which, given the benefit of hindsight (which we happen to have) makes that seem kind of questionable, at least to me.

There's pretty much no doubt in my mind that OJ Simpson is a murderer. However, given the utter hack job that the police and prosecutors made of his case, it was also right that he went free. Probably not right ethically, but because no solid case could be made for proof and that has to be a high standard to avoid jailing innocents.

This case has a lot of parallels. An investigation that seems messy and half ass (and was, in fact, headed up by the very same guy who botched the OJ case!) and clear evidence of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct.

That queers the whole thing.

As to all the 'you think it's okay for some guy to rape some teenager' yadda yadda yadda - I don't. But teenage starlets trying to sleep their way to the top in Hollywood (and frequently lying about their age to do so) is a long long long tradition. And yes, it gets lied about by all parties. A lot.

That reality makes me take any case like this with a grain of salt. HOW many false rape accusations have we seen in the media lately? They do happen.

Yes, if you believe the indictment testimony unreservedly it was a heinous crime. But if you do that, then you wind up with so many dead innocents it's not even funny. People do NOT always tell the truth, and that includes both judges, prosecutors and cops.
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/History/Politics/I'm not sure: A commentary on the Roman Polanski arrest - 29/09/2009 10:15:12 AM 1261 Views
And a NYT article on the same topic - 29/09/2009 10:51:58 AM 332 Views
There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:53:41 AM 465 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 11:57:18 AM 553 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:09:27 PM 328 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:15:54 PM 419 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:41:56 PM 417 Views
Re: There's some seriously twisted logic in this - 29/09/2009 12:47:05 PM 440 Views
There is a word which describes the famous film director - 29/09/2009 01:05:56 PM 361 Views
There is a massive difference between Genet and Polanski - 29/09/2009 01:32:41 PM 564 Views
Yeah, there is - 29/09/2009 03:41:11 PM 397 Views
if the guy was someone else, do you think anyone would care? - 29/09/2009 02:08:15 PM 441 Views
For thousands of years 13yos have been having sex with much older males. - 29/09/2009 02:46:27 PM 372 Views
Lots of things have been going on for thousands of years. - 29/09/2009 03:35:06 PM 328 Views
Well on the flip side - 29/09/2009 03:49:35 PM 424 Views
Absolutely true enough. - 29/09/2009 04:11:28 PM 487 Views
Agreed - 29/09/2009 04:37:38 PM 427 Views
with you on this. *NM* - 30/09/2009 05:05:21 PM 280 Views
if you were talking "consensual", i'd probably at least grudgingly agree - 29/09/2009 04:07:08 PM 426 Views
Problem is that we don't know - 29/09/2009 04:46:15 PM 425 Views
he said/she said/lawyer said - 29/09/2009 05:01:41 PM 479 Views
Yep - 29/09/2009 05:28:16 PM 448 Views
I was not under the impression he did not know she was a minor - 29/09/2009 05:50:38 PM 454 Views
Well, Angelica Huston (who was there that night) didn't think she looked 'like a minor' - 29/09/2009 06:17:15 PM 472 Views
Whoa - what's with the double post? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:17:33 PM 284 Views
Or the triple post! *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:18:13 PM 262 Views
It was a photo shoot for a film why WOULD she look like a minor?? - 29/09/2009 06:27:00 PM 481 Views
Sorry - no it wasn't for a film at all - 29/09/2009 06:39:14 PM 384 Views
I believe at some point it wasn mentioned to be connected to a film - 29/09/2009 06:42:25 PM 256 Views
I've never seen anything to support that - 29/09/2009 07:01:56 PM 277 Views
even if the paperwork didn't show it - 29/09/2009 07:06:02 PM 468 Views
Possibly - 29/09/2009 07:35:33 PM 462 Views
and i'm saying that if it was under contest - 29/09/2009 07:38:24 PM 417 Views
Do you understand how the legal system works in Common Law? - 29/09/2009 07:53:34 PM 439 Views
*shake head* wahtever - 29/09/2009 08:07:25 PM 391 Views
here is a photo of her taken that same year. - 29/09/2009 08:10:21 PM 478 Views
Seen that one as part of my research on this - 29/09/2009 08:22:33 PM 501 Views
I think it very telling that you want to take this line of when Polanski doesn't - 29/09/2009 08:36:47 PM 349 Views
Really? Who says? - 29/09/2009 08:42:38 PM 403 Views
I can't prove it wasn't aliens using mind control rays that forced him to do it - 29/09/2009 08:57:10 PM 316 Views
There is one thing I would like to say. - 29/09/2009 09:03:06 PM 322 Views
Absolutely unacceptable behavior for an administrator, Avendesora. - 30/09/2009 10:44:32 PM 403 Views
Looks like an accidental edit instead of a reply to me. *NM* - 01/10/2009 01:42:33 PM 249 Views
Agreed. I've almost done that a few times on my board. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:08:44 PM 264 Views
actually, it was an honest mistake. I accidentally clicked on "edit" instead of "reply". - 01/10/2009 06:25:48 PM 276 Views
No worries Ave - 01/10/2009 06:41:51 PM 256 Views
Ah. Sorry. - 02/10/2009 02:10:34 AM 406 Views
14-16 - 02/10/2009 05:28:02 AM 272 Views
he could have had a trial and chose not to - 29/09/2009 05:41:11 PM 432 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 05:50:56 PM 146 Views
Yes, he could have - 29/09/2009 05:56:05 PM 396 Views
so he fled the country to spare her the humilation of a trial? - 29/09/2009 08:11:59 PM 419 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 08:28:58 PM 283 Views
no it isn't but you seem to have trouble understanding he drugged and rapped a child - 30/09/2009 09:24:53 PM 446 Views
You seem to have trouble understanding that an accusation isn't proof - 30/09/2009 11:04:35 PM 446 Views
The coward fled the country before anything could be proven - 01/10/2009 06:25:27 AM 436 Views
You really don't get it do you? - 01/10/2009 04:20:36 PM 229 Views
I don't get it?????? - 01/10/2009 05:22:51 PM 312 Views
Yeah - you don't and it's a good thing you're not part of the legal system - 01/10/2009 05:32:57 PM 400 Views
I call Bullshit here. Sorry Greg. - 29/09/2009 05:28:21 PM 438 Views
You're perfectly entitled to your opinions. - 29/09/2009 08:11:17 PM 383 Views
Yes, and people have been murdering each other. - 29/09/2009 05:35:26 PM 458 Views
We have no evidence of trauma. - 29/09/2009 08:12:44 PM 447 Views
For thousands of years gays have been persecuted and treated as abhorrent perverts. - 02/10/2009 02:57:47 AM 450 Views
And a big fuck you to you too. - 05/10/2009 03:08:09 PM 271 Views
He's just a troll, as he's shown in many threads. *NM* - 05/10/2009 03:19:14 PM 234 Views
Yes, it's not like I have a valid point or anything. *NM* - 05/10/2009 07:16:13 PM 253 Views
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. - 05/10/2009 07:46:18 PM 275 Views
Well, I guess you'll have to fulfill your role here and pass sentence... - 06/10/2009 09:19:34 PM 438 Views
You're one to talk. *NM* - 06/10/2009 09:38:30 PM 229 Views
I've been following this with some interest - 29/09/2009 03:28:36 PM 284 Views
That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:38:48 PM 270 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:43:36 PM 268 Views
Re: That was my impression as well. - 29/09/2009 03:45:17 PM 256 Views
I agree with many of your points, but on some the facts seem to say something else. - 29/09/2009 04:13:09 PM 443 Views
*agree* *NM* - 29/09/2009 04:20:32 PM 226 Views
Problem of course is that those are not 'facts' - 29/09/2009 04:58:28 PM 455 Views
first you demand fact before judgement then you make a judgement on your opinion? - 29/09/2009 05:04:59 PM 395 Views
Depends on the circumstances - 29/09/2009 05:35:13 PM 411 Views
because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 04:17:06 PM 431 Views
Re: because she doesn't have any excuse to belly up either - 29/09/2009 05:17:57 PM 355 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 05:30:25 PM 375 Views
I would have to agree with you there, actually - 29/09/2009 05:47:13 PM 501 Views
Re: I would have to agree with your first point, but not the second - 29/09/2009 05:47:40 PM 476 Views
There is no way in hell he did not know she was underage. - 29/09/2009 05:55:37 PM 430 Views
Not necessarily true at all - 29/09/2009 06:32:18 PM 374 Views
Somehow, i heavily doubt the fact she was NOT 18 would never have come to light - 29/09/2009 06:40:20 PM 439 Views
You may be right, I don't know. - 29/09/2009 06:58:45 PM 448 Views
so you agree he is guilty to the allegation he pleaded guilty to of sex with a minor? - 29/09/2009 07:09:07 PM 354 Views
There was never any doubt of that - 29/09/2009 07:46:43 PM 340 Views
See below, - 29/09/2009 07:54:09 PM 368 Views
Yeah, I agree about the vigilante part and the extreme reactions... - 29/09/2009 07:58:18 PM 467 Views
I think I'm reading that article more critically than you are. - 29/09/2009 08:37:23 PM 408 Views
Or you've already made up your mind, while I'm basing mine on what I read. - 29/09/2009 08:46:56 PM 476 Views
I haven't entirely made up my mind - 29/09/2009 08:55:30 PM 359 Views
don't you think he'd say something about it NOW? - 29/09/2009 08:48:59 PM 232 Views
I don't know - 29/09/2009 08:57:27 PM 262 Views
An article that has a lot of additional detail... - 29/09/2009 07:18:29 PM 458 Views
I wish i could put a nice big star next to this. - 29/09/2009 07:29:38 PM 366 Views
Umm - why? - 29/09/2009 08:04:29 PM 417 Views
Yes, well, online newspaper archives don't tend to date back very far... - 29/09/2009 08:14:52 PM 442 Views
Oh, and if you want to read the op-ed she wrote... - 29/09/2009 08:20:06 PM 380 Views
Now I'd be interested to see the actual court records - 29/09/2009 08:24:13 PM 359 Views
Me too - 29/09/2009 08:33:36 PM 237 Views
Yeah, nothing new there really - 29/09/2009 08:26:24 PM 448 Views
There's always room for exceptions, however... - 29/09/2009 04:53:34 PM 258 Views
Camilla - he drugged and raped a 13-year old.....what else do you need to know? *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:19:19 PM 259 Views
I don't know that. Neither do you. Which is part of it. *NM* - 29/09/2009 06:20:22 PM 252 Views
Yes we do..... - 29/09/2009 06:30:46 PM 415 Views
No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 06:48:35 PM 366 Views
if these "Facts" were false - 29/09/2009 07:02:50 PM 395 Views
That's extremely naive - 29/09/2009 08:07:15 PM 286 Views
i fail to see how this is naive - 29/09/2009 08:35:59 PM 438 Views
The naive part - 29/09/2009 08:49:18 PM 446 Views
I'm not assuming anyone (not just her personal testimony) was telling the truth - 29/09/2009 08:56:52 PM 468 Views
I think that I'm just more cynical than you are - 29/09/2009 09:12:12 PM 406 Views
So because i'm not cynical about the court system and have a different train of logic - 29/09/2009 09:25:53 PM 424 Views
Not necessarily wrong - 29/09/2009 09:43:33 PM 410 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:22 PM 232 Views
Not what I read, but this whole thing is so messy... - 29/09/2009 10:25:59 PM 334 Views
I don't remember which article it was from - 29/09/2009 10:32:32 PM 211 Views
One thing that was clear - 29/09/2009 11:08:43 PM 438 Views
Ah I didn't catch that - 29/09/2009 11:15:06 PM 387 Views
Could you source that? - 29/09/2009 11:18:46 PM 417 Views
it's one of the articles that's been linked - 29/09/2009 11:59:02 PM 376 Views
The Mail article, yeah. *NM* - 30/09/2009 12:01:48 AM 119 Views
Uhm, his bargain wasn't 40-odd days in evaulation - 29/09/2009 09:51:24 PM 350 Views
Yes, we do.....drugs & rape of a 13-year old - 29/09/2009 07:10:02 PM 381 Views
you do know that just because you repeat something it doesn't instantly become true? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:11:03 PM 109 Views
and how many times have y'all said it was false? *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:13:27 PM 253 Views
Hello pot, this is kettle, you're black too..... - 29/09/2009 08:16:16 PM 265 Views
Wow - I guess every allegation ever made by a prosecutor is true - 29/09/2009 08:09:43 PM 285 Views
I guess you believe every criminal who says "I didn't do it"..... - 29/09/2009 08:18:29 PM 363 Views
Nope - 29/09/2009 09:14:02 PM 278 Views
He admitted it. - 29/09/2009 10:45:43 PM 417 Views
You don't get it do you? - 29/09/2009 11:15:27 PM 386 Views
Nothing in the case which he admitted guilt to is in dispute. - 29/09/2009 11:45:05 PM 375 Views
Hardly - 30/09/2009 11:18:42 PM 363 Views
Seriously, are you related to Roman the Rapist? - 30/09/2009 01:11:44 AM 387 Views
I want to go on record as saying: I really dislike agreeing with you - 30/09/2009 05:03:24 AM 470 Views
Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 12:23:53 AM 372 Views
Re: Oh, now Amy's accusing me of being a pedophile, that's just funny - 01/10/2009 05:55:46 AM 412 Views
Honestly Amy, you know nothing whatsoever about my life or why I do things - 01/10/2009 04:03:38 PM 400 Views
I only have one thing left to say to you. - 01/10/2009 04:08:42 PM 230 Views
You are certainly entitled to your opinion - 01/10/2009 04:23:32 PM 249 Views
I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:07:59 PM 229 Views
I agree, and already said the same once. It appears that was deleted. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:15:07 PM 268 Views
Sorry Nossy.. - 01/10/2009 06:24:26 PM 383 Views
It was meant to be advice - 01/10/2009 06:39:31 PM 238 Views
That entire conversation when I deleted the original post. - 01/10/2009 06:30:00 PM 347 Views
No no.. - 01/10/2009 06:43:19 PM 403 Views
Re: I think you're getting way out of line here, Amy. - 01/10/2009 06:21:37 PM 246 Views
Heh! - 01/10/2009 06:28:07 PM 255 Views
I second that. *NM* - 01/10/2009 08:21:13 PM 120 Views
No, I happen to dislike vigilante idiots - 30/09/2009 11:21:53 PM 244 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 10:09:32 PM 345 Views
Re: No, we don't. - 29/09/2009 11:21:08 PM 486 Views
I think for the 1st time ever i'm actually stunned by the comments on this board. - 29/09/2009 07:14:18 PM 329 Views
Oh but he didn't KNOW - 29/09/2009 07:17:55 PM 297 Views
Ignorance doesn't have to be proven in court - 29/09/2009 08:11:31 PM 249 Views
no you have back asswards - 29/09/2009 08:14:36 PM 281 Views
You're talking ethics and then switch to law - 29/09/2009 09:17:02 PM 252 Views
yes the law can be stupid but not so stupid that you can use the - 29/09/2009 10:32:49 PM 292 Views
Oh it's EASILY that stupid and even stupider - 29/09/2009 10:58:33 PM 417 Views
If the girl has to call and ask her mommy if she can stay late you should ask her age - 30/09/2009 04:04:33 PM 270 Views
He knew her age. The photo-shoot was specifically looking at young girls. - 30/09/2009 04:42:01 PM 389 Views
Of course he knew he age - 30/09/2009 05:01:19 PM 382 Views
Obviously - because you say so right? - 30/09/2009 11:25:18 PM 238 Views
You really have to be a moron to believ he didn't - 01/10/2009 06:27:04 AM 260 Views
That stupidity isn't even worthy of a reply. *NM* - 01/10/2009 04:21:35 PM 235 Views
Wow, way to make up 'facts' - 30/09/2009 11:23:13 PM 462 Views
Do you actually READ any of the articles??? - 01/10/2009 12:06:54 AM 250 Views
I did and I just went and re-read that one to be sure - 01/10/2009 12:44:46 AM 421 Views
~nods~ *NM* - 29/09/2009 07:32:29 PM 234 Views
It's not the first time, but I agree. - 29/09/2009 07:44:06 PM 359 Views
Way to go for a straw man - 29/09/2009 07:45:44 PM 419 Views
I agree that he is most definitely not a pedophile - 29/09/2009 07:50:23 PM 478 Views
As to your question, I have no idea - 29/09/2009 07:59:43 PM 478 Views
That is not what staute of limitations is - 29/09/2009 07:52:32 PM 245 Views
Yes - 29/09/2009 08:00:49 PM 280 Views
Re: Yes - 29/09/2009 08:13:24 PM 410 Views
I prefer the Tin Man myself - 29/09/2009 07:57:07 PM 454 Views
Re: Way to go for a straw man - 30/09/2009 05:05:47 PM 367 Views
No one has excused him. But there is no point any longer in going after him. - 29/09/2009 08:15:42 PM 493 Views
i can certainly agree that it's a waste of time and resources - 29/09/2009 08:20:19 PM 247 Views
there are advantages and disadvantages to being famous - 29/09/2009 08:49:21 PM 257 Views
Agreed - I can't believe people are defending this d-bag.....amazing! *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:25:05 PM 236 Views
It is rather mind-boggling *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:29:11 PM 232 Views
well - 29/09/2009 08:34:56 PM 394 Views
I'm all for the gray and considerin both sides. - 29/09/2009 08:45:50 PM 303 Views
Ben Franklin once said - 29/09/2009 09:30:16 PM 449 Views
*snort* - 29/09/2009 10:02:13 PM 417 Views
I'd say you need to spend more time around lawyers - 29/09/2009 10:40:05 PM 355 Views
isn't he still churning out movies like crazy? - 29/09/2009 10:42:48 PM 264 Views
I've no idea - 29/09/2009 11:22:20 PM 388 Views
Exactly Nossy - 29/09/2009 09:20:14 PM 482 Views
Well it's certainly apparent you're sticking to it *NM* - 29/09/2009 09:27:48 PM 232 Views
That's always been how I am though. - 29/09/2009 09:32:30 PM 413 Views
I've decided I really don't care about this either way at all. - 29/09/2009 08:38:14 PM 340 Views
It has an effect on good cinema *NM* - 29/09/2009 08:52:58 PM 157 Views
there's been people saying he shouldn't get his Oscar for it - 29/09/2009 08:59:04 PM 240 Views
Doubtful. - 30/09/2009 02:04:52 AM 373 Views
How recent is recently? - 30/09/2009 02:22:39 AM 295 Views
There's a lot of misinformation flying around here. - 29/09/2009 11:22:29 PM 431 Views
That would be more convincing if you didn't have incorrect information yourself. - 29/09/2009 11:58:40 PM 252 Views
I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:07:43 AM 420 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:28:13 AM 385 Views
Re: I just worked that out. - 30/09/2009 12:42:17 AM 364 Views
Small correction - 01/10/2009 12:15:45 AM 367 Views
Think about that one a bit - 30/09/2009 11:34:56 PM 429 Views
Add to that also - 30/09/2009 11:30:14 PM 455 Views
Excellent summary on Roman the Rapist.....good job! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:13:35 AM 251 Views
Most impressive - 30/09/2009 01:21:42 AM 225 Views
Excellent - and done better than most of the rest of us. *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:34:11 PM 254 Views
In my opinion... - 30/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 370 Views
Can I just say... - 30/09/2009 05:54:47 PM 389 Views
The state is also a vicitm - 30/09/2009 06:17:22 PM 384 Views
Hardly, in this case - 30/09/2009 11:57:48 PM 268 Views
you know your arguments would have more merit if you had a clue what your were talking about - 01/10/2009 06:24:35 AM 243 Views
You should know what you are talking about before you post - 01/10/2009 04:18:50 PM 447 Views
OK go learn something and then come back - 01/10/2009 05:15:45 PM 419 Views
I note that you ignore the fact that I just proved you wrong... - 01/10/2009 05:27:01 PM 354 Views
no you just mistated some crap that I ignored *sigh* - 01/10/2009 06:30:03 PM 254 Views
The girl and mother requested to cut a deal, so the 13-year old wouldn't have to testify..... - 01/10/2009 04:28:49 PM 225 Views
Actually, the prosecution cut the deal - 01/10/2009 05:29:29 PM 359 Views
And the most important reason for justice... - 30/09/2009 07:43:33 PM 487 Views
Just to be clear - 30/09/2009 11:47:42 PM 455 Views
This may help some of the argument, but sadly not much - 01/10/2009 02:06:22 AM 398 Views
It's not just that he admitted to it in the plea bargain. - 01/10/2009 03:10:37 AM 449 Views
*agree* *NM* - 01/10/2009 02:36:05 PM 125 Views
Yes, looking at him very strangely.....he's jumping the shark big-time on this one! - 01/10/2009 04:31:43 PM 263 Views
Apparently you don't get the idea of honest debate - 01/10/2009 06:40:45 PM 406 Views
Good news - French government drops support for director Roman Polanski - 01/10/2009 04:46:42 PM 405 Views
Hypocrites. *NM* - 01/10/2009 05:41:34 PM 273 Views
Yeah pretty much - 01/10/2009 06:28:01 PM 283 Views
Well, unless I find some new facts to post - I think I'm done with this thread - 01/10/2009 06:59:36 PM 527 Views
It was quite a valiant effort - 01/10/2009 08:30:23 PM 285 Views
I agree the attacks on you personally were not warranted and were out of line. - 03/10/2009 03:02:03 AM 439 Views
Please. - 05/10/2009 03:35:50 PM 444 Views
My "bottom line" on this subject: - 01/10/2009 07:21:19 PM 433 Views

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