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It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM

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View original posthave you tried one of those wire kitchen/baker racks? i use a 5-shelf one for my house plants and the cats mostly ignore the ones they can't reach


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View original postGood idea! I have one that we aren't using right now, cluttering up my closet under the stairs. It would be easy enough to rig up lighting for each shelf. . Now to find the right lighting...


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View original postLEDS! Unless you want some heating effect too, they're still a touch pricey but you can get ones that give off virtually nothing but the frequencies for photosynthesis, so lower electric bill (unless you need a higher temp anyway) and you can probably even ratchet up the luminosity to take advantage of the higher CO2 concentrations in your house.


View original postI have looked only a little bit, but I have only found the CFL ones. I already use LED bulbs in my house, and a, slowly replacing my CFL with LED.

Yeah, got a good deal on a few a couple years ago and I've been switching over slowly too.


View original postI don't need to worry about electric bill because I don't have one. It's battery amp hours I need to think about. Now to find the LED grow bulbs. Do you know what they're called if I don't type the proper terminology for the search?

LED Grow Bulbs, LED Grow Lamps, googles them up. They tend to come from different manufacturers then the guys who focus on house lighting and sell more indoor/greenhouse and hydroponic gardening accessories, it's still a bit niche even by LED light standards, less plug and play more think and customize. Small niche but big enthusiastic smart crowd so there's a lot of blogs and youtube videos discussing the pros and cons you can review before picking a supplier and lamp.


View original postLED grow bulbs!

Yeah, my view too, probably still premature for most applications, still a bit of pricey toy for garden enthusiasts, pot growers, and NASA. I actually stuck that on my mental pro/con list for marijuana legalization, legalize it and it might hurt the LED grow lamp market in developing economy of scale

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1341 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 804 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 924 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 932 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 854 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 788 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 878 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 870 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 861 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 896 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 894 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 950 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 942 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 1020 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 936 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 837 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 947 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 914 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 870 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 945 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 847 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 978 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1110 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 816 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 997 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 774 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 504 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 766 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 1000 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 813 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 904 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 905 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 837 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 820 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 405 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 895 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1056 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 884 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 818 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 741 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 730 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 809 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 870 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 862 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 991 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 898 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 996 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 891 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 1029 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 931 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 775 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 883 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 840 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 788 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 853 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 804 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 722 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 741 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 776 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 837 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 776 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 793 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 915 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 827 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 858 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 842 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 848 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 857 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 850 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 840 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 972 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 458 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 415 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 384 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 798 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 415 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 384 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 940 Views
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