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I am beginning to wonder if China might formally annex North Korea, and the implications of that. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2013 06:24:28 PM

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It takes a lot for a guy like me to say "Fuck it, take them out," but with North Korea I'm there. At this point I think even China would turn a blind eye... North Korea has been as much a threat to them as anyone else recently.

But you're right, it has to be S. Korea's call. The North can't hit us... but it will hit them.

Because YOU are right that a nuclear North Korea is at least as much a threat to China as to anyone else. Part of the subtext in all this is that Chinas proximity as much as our militarys made North Korea their de facto satellite, but nuclear weapons could change that. The Kims (or whoever calls the shots there) had little choice but to do as China told them so long as they had the PLA looking over their shoulder, but intermediate range nuclear missiles deter Chinese invasion at least as much as an American one. A truly rogue nuclear North Korea is a huge threat to China as well as to South Korea and Japan; the difference is China can do something about it.

Then the issue is: What of the REST of Korea? Perhaps the question is not "Would China let the US occupy all of Korea" but "would the US let China occupy it"?

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North Korea Withdraws from Korean War Armistice Joel - 08/03/2013 10:39:44 PM 1282 Views

Again? Didn't they "tear up the armistice" a few years ago? Tom - 08/03/2013 10:49:59 PM 579 Views

They said they were "no longer obligated" after the second nuke test, and would resist attacks. Joel - 09/03/2013 10:16:17 PM 673 Views

Not to diminish the role of China in this but you're bypassing the actual issue Isaac - 09/03/2013 11:26:18 PM 607 Views

I would like it noted I responded to you before you responded to me.

Joel - 09/03/2013 11:40:18 PM 699 Views

Duly noted Isaac - 10/03/2013 01:03:59 AM 693 Views

Re: Duly noted Joel - 11/03/2013 06:14:59 PM 625 Views

Re: Duly noted Isaac - 11/03/2013 07:05:17 PM 667 Views

Re: Duly noted Joel - 11/03/2013 10:34:36 PM 564 Views

Re: Duly noted Isaac - 12/03/2013 02:04:05 AM 661 Views

One word: evacuation. Tom - 10/03/2013 03:22:42 AM 558 Views

Time constraints Isaac - 10/03/2013 04:37:51 AM 694 Views

The thought did occur to me, but swiftly followed by Isaacs response. Joel - 11/03/2013 05:26:37 PM 644 Views

NK artillery myth sartek - 10/03/2013 03:59:36 PM 716 Views

Seoul isn't the only urban location, refering to it simply saves time Isaac - 10/03/2013 04:38:40 PM 646 Views

Well, but one would assume that after an initial salvo the South Koreans would counterstrike. Tom - 10/03/2013 06:51:34 PM 621 Views

Definitely, but you still get a high civilian body toll Isaac - 10/03/2013 08:14:26 PM 623 Views

Tactical question: Better by daylight to aid evacuation, or night to avoid detection? Joel - 11/03/2013 06:48:21 PM 652 Views

Daylight, hands down I think Isaac - 11/03/2013 07:22:26 PM 615 Views

No, I meant daylight to aid evacuation or night to prevent detecting an attack. Joel - 11/03/2013 10:14:57 PM 688 Views

Night favors us tactically, but it wouldn't keep the attack secret Isaac - 12/03/2013 02:29:53 AM 639 Views

I would love to have a solid excuse for us to crush them like a bug. Isaac - 08/03/2013 11:54:22 PM 617 Views

It really is a pity that N. Korea isn't located in remote Siberia. Ghavrel - 09/03/2013 06:09:44 AM 538 Views

This. Sadly. Dannymac - 09/03/2013 04:38:13 PM 562 Views

I am beginning to wonder if China might formally annex North Korea, and the implications of that. Joel - 11/03/2013 06:24:28 PM 680 Views

You do realize you are massively exaggerating on the subject of China, yes? Legolas - 13/03/2013 06:15:32 AM 650 Views

Fair point on South Korea; like I say, I would hate to be them right now. Joel - 09/03/2013 11:22:49 PM 687 Views

Wipe those fuckers off the face of the earth. Goddamn I'm tired of those bastards *NM* Nighthawk - 09/03/2013 02:01:44 AM 295 Views

There is little I would like better, but I doubt China would allow it to be that simple. Joel - 09/03/2013 11:26:30 PM 642 Views

Great, another possible war. Don't people get tired of them? *NM* Yunalesca - 11/03/2013 06:51:38 PM 509 Views

Evidently not, but then, this war never truly ended; it was just postponed to a later date. Joel - 11/03/2013 10:09:09 PM 639 Views

You do realize that this is the exact same legal justification for the Iraq invasion? HyogaRott - 13/03/2013 05:06:51 PM 553 Views

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It takes a lot for a guy like me to say "Fuck it, take them out," but with North Korea I'm there. At this point I think even China would turn a blind eye... North Korea has been as much a threat to them as anyone else recently.

But you're right, it has to be S. Korea's call. The North can't hit us... but it will hit them.
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Because YOU are right that a nuclear North Korea is at least as much a threat to China as to anyone else.  Part of the subtext in all this is that Chinas proximity as much as our militarys made North Korea their de facto satellite, but nuclear weapons could change that.  The Kims (or whoever calls the shots there) had little choice but to do as China told them so long as they had the PLA looking over their shoulder, but intermediate range nuclear missiles deter Chinese invasion at least as much as an American one.  A truly rogue nuclear North Korea is a huge threat to China as well as to South Korea and Japan; the difference is China can do something about it.

Then the issue is:  What of the REST of Korea?  Perhaps the question is not "Would China let the US occupy all of Korea" but "would the US let China occupy it"?
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