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Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM
2. Priests being a woman - no chance (bible/God's word)
The origins of this one are also more doctrinal than "Word of God". The specific prohibitions are not in the Gospels but Timothy's.
The Bible is still the Bible. The Epistles of Paul are just as Divinely inspired as the Gospels of Matthew and John. In each case, the authors are citing Divine revelation of some kind. Paul's Apostolic infallibility is the same as the others'.
Paul, John, Matthew, and Mark are different than the other books of the New Testament. Yes it is all devinely inspired, but that is not the same thing. There are the 4 witnesses to Christ's life and teachings (thus they are considered to be the divine words of Christ) and the rest is the words of divinely inspired men and can be invalidated, or "clarified" by another divinely inspired proclemation (i.e. Pope speaking Ex Cathedra).

5. Gay marriage/rights - no chance (bible/God's word)
Actually the prohibitions are Old Testament and COULD be invalidated by an Ex Cathedra declaration, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Probably a good idea, since the New Testament defines marriage as between a man and a woman. There is a better chance of changing the stance on abortion than polygamy (serial or otherwise) or same-sex marriage.
Once again this goes back to the diffence in the "divine" level between the gospels and the other writing that were included in the New Testament. Christ himself never actually addressed the issue (or if he did, nothing has been uncovered/revealed thus far). Serial polygamy is actually an excellent example as it was "later relvelations" that allowed Church sanctioned divorce and remarriage. Done once, can be done again, but.... not gonna happen.
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1350 Views
Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 767 Views
As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 725 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 667 Views
One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 670 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 635 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 717 Views
Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 653 Views
That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 719 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 556 Views
Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 664 Views
Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 695 Views
Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 669 Views
Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 657 Views
If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 778 Views
Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 697 Views
Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 665 Views
You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 723 Views
You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired? Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 852 Views
Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 742 Views
Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 733 Views
Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming. Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 705 Views
So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 593 Views
A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 633 Views
Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 724 Views
There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 644 Views
That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 716 Views
Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 819 Views
Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 760 Views
Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 363 Views
Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 361 Views
I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 736 Views
Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 802 Views
You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?! Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 830 Views
Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 391 Views
You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 787 Views
Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 715 Views
I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 365 Views
Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 303 Views
Chastity: A Virtue best found in others *NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 312 Views
and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 379 Views
Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 622 Views
You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 677 Views
..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 878 Views
It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 656 Views
it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 703 Views
Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 641 Views
You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 625 Views
No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 644 Views
The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 430 Views
Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 590 Views
That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 693 Views
Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 755 Views
I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 846 Views
So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 679 Views
I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 646 Views
IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 722 Views
Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 634 Views
Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 636 Views
This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 758 Views
He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 751 Views
Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 715 Views
Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 625 Views
Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 870 Views
Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 281 Views
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