You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?!
Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM
I agree to most people in many non-latin Western Countries it is irrelevant, and I wish it was irrelevant to everyone.
But the catholic church is still prevalent in many countries and still wields real power. They could use that for some good, by promoting equal rights for women, or pushing birth control in Africa to help with the STD blight, as opposed to being the almost singular block which they are just now.
Whilst I may not like the Catholic church, that doesn't mean I wouldn't like them to at least try and do some good for once.
But the catholic church is still prevalent in many countries and still wields real power. They could use that for some good, by promoting equal rights for women, or pushing birth control in Africa to help with the STD blight, as opposed to being the almost singular block which they are just now.
Whilst I may not like the Catholic church, that doesn't mean I wouldn't like them to at least try and do some good for once.
Please tell me that was just a very ill-chosen figure of speech. I certainly have my share of doctrinal differences with it, but even I think that statement was GROSSLY unfair. I mean, I know everyone sneers at the way they treated Galileo, but without all those monks LITERACY would not have survived in Europe after the fall of Rome. Europe has the Catholic Church to thank for scholasticism, and thus both its first universities and the rational paradigms that produced things like the Renaissance, the Scientific Method and the Enlightenment, to name but a few of the Catholic Churchs most significant intellectual legacies.
This is actually a pet peeve of mine, because so many modern intellectuals (and pseudo-intellectuals) like to pretend the Christian Church as a whole is and has always been just a bunch of superstitious ignorami to whom they owe nothing (as opposed to, like, virtually everything.)
How about all the Catholic charities around the world that have been feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, healing the sick and, yes, even educating the ignorant, for two millennia? How about all the Catholic clergy who went to concentration camps for sheltering Jews during the Holocaust? Or Pope John Paul II and others like him who defied the Soviets authoritarian domination of Poland and other Warsaw Pact countries?
That is just the big stuff that comes to mind off the top of my head after twelve hours of below zero construction work. The Roman Catholic Church has made plenty of mistakes, some of which it perpetuates, but just because an organization is not progressive or forward-thinking (or sufficiently so for all tastes) does not make it meritless and/or irredeemable. Any more than inventing jets makes the organization that did THAT a paragon of virtue.
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This message last edited by Joel on 12/02/2013 at 01:13:31 AM
So the Pope has resigned
11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM
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Re: So the Pope has resigned
11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM
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As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision.....
12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM
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Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision.....
12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM
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Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision.....
13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM
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Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision.....
13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.
13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM
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Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point.
14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM
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Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy?
14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM
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If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few?
13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM
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Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired?
13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM
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Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment."
13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM
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You're missing a really key point
13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM
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You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired?
13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM
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Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women
13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM
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Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote?
13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM
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Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming.
14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM
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So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting....
13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM
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A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest.
13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM
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Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying.
13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM
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There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry.
13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM
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Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application.
11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM
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Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has...
11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM
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Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM*
11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM
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Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM*
11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM
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I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ
11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM
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You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?!
11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM
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You give them too much credit.
11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM
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Put on blinders much?
11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM
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Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM*
12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM
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Well said.
13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM
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You really don't know how human psychology works, do you?
13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM
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..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should.
15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM
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It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV.
15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM
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The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM*
12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM
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I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive.
12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM
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IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon?
13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM
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This will be a very interesting time.
13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM
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He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it.
13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM
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