I don't believe it has ever been swept under the rug in our lifetimes
Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/02/2013 12:40:55 AM
I frankly find this pretty damn disrespectful to the audience, "Here's a map". There's nothing concrete about this, data on deaths rate is is freely available and it's just a death count by county, a couple months isn't enough time to know if the rate has gone up or down, and a map is hardly necessary to discuss that. How would me putting up a map of abortions by place or suicides by place add to those conversations? This isn't a high resolution freeway map we can use to see which exits and stretches have abnormal crash rates, it's a superficial and useless construct that might as well be a population density map.
It would be more useful if it was regional block map showing gun deaths relative to population and racked up the deaths over a couple decades rather than a couple of months.
excluding suicides we still had over 15,000 gun deaths in 2012. at a rate of over 40 per day, it's quite easy to just not notice how many people die every single day in this country. when i say "more concrete" i mean a visual representation of what exactly having more guns than anyone, anywhere, means on a day to day basis.
Possibly for you, and some others, these is an easier format to comprehend the matter. I have difficulty seeing how but then I'm very comfortable with raw numbers and data so I may be biased. Nonetheless I really don't see how it adds to the conversation. For me it is a simple matter to know the approximate population of the country and lifespan and say "roughly 10,000 people die everyday of various causes" and I am not really aided by a pin-map by location, since I instantly know that it either is a rough parallel to a population density map and rather irrelevant, or that it is statistical significant, such as increased cancer deaths by location, in which case I won't see that from two months of data, unless it were 'Hurricane deaths from X hurricane' in which case I'd still need it adapted against population density for most applications.
What you really mean is that you think this will 'bring it home' for some people, that a map is more of a tear-jerker than a simple number. Maybe, though probably not for most people, and regardless it would remain a purely emotional argument. You've added nothing new in data or logic. You merely descend to the level of commercial advertising, attaching kittens or cute kids or bikini-clad ladies to sell your prescription for life's problems.
sure, from a statistical standpoint this map tool does nothing to break down trends or motivations, even if you read through all 1600+ articles linked to each body in the chart. having all of the deaths represented like this in front of you makes it a bit harder to just pretend that we don't have a real problem with gun violence in this country. and that is the reason i call it more concrete.
Proper word there 'more personal' not 'concrete'. I also resent the implication I'm 'pretending' we don't have a gun violence issue, I simply don't believe the suggested treatments by the left are worth the cost, I view them as parallel to using homeopathic or alternative medical remedies. Ineffective, inefficient when they have positive effect at all, and often doing nothing or even making things worse, all under the justification that 'we have to do something', which is not a good reason to shoot a cancer victim up with snake oil.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 07/02/2013 at 12:46:15 AM
1600 gun deaths and counting since Newtown massacre
06/02/2013 05:40:29 PM
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That is a tragic number but the laws they are proposing would have stopped very few of those deaths
06/02/2013 05:53:48 PM
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how many responsible owners are going to be selling out of the trunk of their car?
06/02/2013 06:02:43 PM
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You will never stop or reduce violence. Ever
06/02/2013 09:01:15 PM
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Perhaps, but we can still limit the damage done by controlling access to guns. *NM*
06/02/2013 10:38:06 PM
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There's a gigantic difference between the "stop" and the "reduce" you so casually equate. *NM*
06/02/2013 11:21:31 PM
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Is there? Without guns the rate of violence will fall heavily?
06/02/2013 11:35:27 PM
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Yes, there is.
06/02/2013 11:40:57 PM
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there are ways to reduce the violence but new guns laws are not one those ways
07/02/2013 04:29:01 AM
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best that we enforce the current laws then, as obama has directed in his executive orders
08/02/2013 05:59:22 PM
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violence, probably not as much as we would like. dead by gunshot? most assuredly so
06/02/2013 11:45:39 PM
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that is true but that is no excuse for feel good laws that do nothing but restrict rights
07/02/2013 04:24:34 AM
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I like how you say 'something more concrete' to describe 'nothing new'
06/02/2013 10:38:35 PM
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i guess in this case "more concrete" means "not just swept under the rug anymore"
06/02/2013 11:38:52 PM
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I don't believe it has ever been swept under the rug in our lifetimes
07/02/2013 12:40:55 AM
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we will have to continue to agree to disagree then
08/02/2013 06:06:38 PM
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This has more to do with resenting all the "...and another thing!" threads on the subject of late.
09/02/2013 12:18:27 AM
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