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Re: i understand your point about the reference Isaac Send a noteboard - 30/09/2009 01:15:30 AM
when a country like mexico can figure out a way to provide coverage for its citizens who don't have it, it reflects poorly on the supposedly richest country in the world that people actively campaign *against* providing health insurance to everyone. mexico claims they will cover their uninsured by 2011; the US says "sorry, you'll just have to figure it out on your own".

yes, our overall care is infinitely better than theirs, but the point is that mexico is not exactly known for their financial stability and even *they* can figure out how to make it work.


We are both aware, I'm sure, of our fundamental idealogical differences here, and I sincerely doubt either of us could make the other budge, I posted because I consider your reference to be a bad one, I do not know if you knew that, and I do not want other people to look at it and think it is biblical truth.

Looking at the timestamp on your reply, I sincerely doubt you read the link, as ten minutes is an amazingly short time to get my message, read an eight page analysis not including citations, and reply. You cited that study, not I.


i won't deny that i didn't read the link you posted. i am making the point that the US can provide much more health coverage than we currently do (which is zero so there's a lot of room for improvement ;) ). also that other countries with a substantially lower quality of life and economy than ours can find a way to provide health coverage to everyone in their country, or at least find a way to provide coverage to as many as possible. whether the WHO study is flawed, dated, or whatever, the underlying theme is the same: the US is not doing enough to cover the uninsured.


I will actually be surprised if anyone does, but so you know, it's from CATO, the libertarian free-market guys, and was selected for that reason. However, that particular study by WHO is notoriously flawed - which is why I knew to look it up - and the objections of bias literally could fill books and come from every corner, and as you might suspect many are total BS, but many aren't, and it's the sort of study you can challenge just because it requires so many arbitrary assumptions to produce.

Insofar as I don't believe we're doing anything to cover the uninsured, I must agree with that statement. ALthough in fairness, we do already have a number of systems in place on the matter, and nobody has to worry about bleeding to death because they are broke.

You are right that many poorer nations have found ways to give everyone health care, but the quality many receive is often worse than what any receive here. My problem with socialist policies is that so often it starts as squabbling because you have ten people and one pie, and a couple greedy people took a big slice, so someone gets angry and takes those slice away and then everyone argues while the pie gets cold before eventually cutting the remaining warm pie into ten equal chunks. Nobody thinks to just bake another pie, heck, often the person who took the bigger piece baked the blasted pie to begin with. Yes, something of an exaggeration, but it tends to have a lot of irritating truths to it.
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