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Was that response meant for me or Correia? Joel Send a noteboard - 05/01/2013 07:04:31 PM
I think I'm tempted to just automatically link that into all gun-control talks and refuse to discuss anything further till they've read it, because I really haven't seen let alone typed anything so logical, accurate, comprehensive, and well said on the subject. Thanks for the link.

I read it a week or two ago, so will continue. ;) A concealed carry instructor wrote a long blog post manipulating the historical record to justify unrestricted gun access, and people who already agreed with him say they still do: Wow. That does not make him accurate, Cicero or anything but a biased activist his fellows support.

It is a long piece, and I do not feel like digging through all of its tortured "logic" like I did a week or two ago; once was more than sufficient.


The China incident was used in the article to illustrate that guns are not needed to create an "atrocity" thus restricting them does not prevent one. I have no idea what you were trying to illustrate.

Your reasoning behind the importance of an off-duty cop being the one to stop a mall shooting as opposed to a civilian also escapes me as the quality of training received by police officers and their qualitative performance in stress situations was discussed in the article. The point was that the shooting was stopped by someone who happened to be at the location when the shooting began, as opposed to the body count that would have resulted from the inevitable delay before a uniformed police response could have arrived.

Keep trying

The China stabbing has been and continues to be selectively used by the radical pro AND anti-gun lobby as "proof" of their position. Pro-gun radicals say it proves total gun bans do not prevent mass attacks; anti-gun radicals say it proves total gun bans prevent fatalities even when nutjobs attack kids. Rational people realize the total gun ban prevented a nutjob killing anyone, but also prevented a rational, law-abiding and trained gun user from preventing the ATTACK.

That COPS stop would-be mass shooters (and it is VERY telling how often cops, rather than random private citizens, do so) demonstrates that screened, trained and certified gun owners are no threat to anyone, and often a great benefit to everyone. It does not demonstrate that everyone—including convicts, the mentally ill and the untrained—should be able to get a gun. The inability to completely prevent the latter is a good argument for the former, but not for doing nothing to prevent the latter.
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably - 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM 971 Views
Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM 407 Views
I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM 769 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year - 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM 547 Views
Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM* - 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM 271 Views
See my response to Novo. - 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM 638 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies. - 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM 592 Views
I cited two in response to her, and those were just the ones I remember off the top of my head. - 28/12/2012 11:07:36 PM 723 Views
If you can't remember them, then don't claim them *NM* - 29/12/2012 03:08:08 AM 326 Views
Two just from memory is enough to substantiate my claim. - 29/12/2012 03:35:49 AM 611 Views
'Substantiate your claim'? I don't think you're lying, I just don't feel any reason to be swayed... - 29/12/2012 04:00:10 AM 512 Views
... and probably never will, but, alright, here we go: - 05/01/2013 06:53:23 PM 572 Views
Probably, but at least I'll listen - 05/01/2013 08:30:48 PM 617 Views
The 2 things you attempted to "cite" were absolute nonsense and proved nothing. - 31/12/2012 06:00:00 PM 582 Views
Was that response meant for me or Correia? - 05/01/2013 07:04:31 PM 553 Views
Great read, thanks for posting! *NM* - 28/12/2012 05:52:29 PM 278 Views
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot - 29/12/2012 01:36:33 AM 558 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now" - 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM 622 Views
I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true - 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM 651 Views
i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle - 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM 574 Views
I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral - 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM 615 Views
moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM 667 Views
Re: moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 08/01/2013 05:40:46 AM 531 Views
last thoughts..... - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM 556 Views
Well I was referring more to the timing of collecting data. - 29/12/2012 04:28:01 AM 746 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney? - 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM 674 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM 288 Views

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