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Instead of actually showing why my arguments would be incoherent or why I'm immature, he just said Helene Send a noteboard - 05/01/2013 02:02:23 AM
they were and that I am. Instead of addressing my arguments, he attacked me. I do think that the phrase ad hominem applies there. If it's the wrong phrase to use for such a situation, then at least it still shows the same weakness in debating as I was pointing out.

I suppose that your bringing up strawmen as an example isn't a strawman, either?

As for your addressing my original question. You are right in that it's not the most logically sound argument ever made. It wasn't intended to be nor did I present it as such. I was bemused, because of the difference in thinking. It comes from my basic belief that generally, bringing weapons into a situation means that they are more likely to be used, and that generally, it's better when no weapons are being used. Your bringing up keys and locked doors isn't really equivalent, because the child isn't going to use the key to shoot 26 people with afterwards.

However, that wasn't the point he alluded to as incoherent. His issue seemed to be with my question where I asked if a shoot out between mother and son would be preferable over a situation where neither had guns at all. He appeared to get emotional over the question of choosing between killing your own child or letting them kill you, kill 26 people and then kill him/herself. Which is a nice hypothetical, I suppose, but not the one I was asking, nor a very useful one.
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You're actually not right on that one - 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM 921 Views
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 530 Views
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No kidding - 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM 855 Views
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 854 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 768 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 931 Views
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Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM* - 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM 495 Views
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guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 581 Views
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*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 484 Views
The instant it becomes relevant, I shall. - 28/12/2012 11:45:01 PM 985 Views
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As a father, I would rather kill my own child than have him kill 26 other people. - 27/12/2012 04:35:02 PM 737 Views
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Nice flippant unthinking reply, you and moondog should get together. *NM* - 28/12/2012 04:55:14 PM 542 Views
How is my reply flippant? Your statement was unthinking, not mine. - 29/12/2012 06:59:04 AM 833 Views
YOU asked if it would have been better for her to kill her own child instead, I answered. - 29/12/2012 03:52:02 PM 844 Views
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You do realize that resorting to personal attacks reveal an inability to make sound arguments? *NM* - 02/01/2013 06:01:33 PM 594 Views
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Instead of actually showing why my arguments would be incoherent or why I'm immature, he just said - 05/01/2013 02:02:23 AM 923 Views
He did not - 05/01/2013 01:39:40 PM 1228 Views
Facts are irrelevant when FUD is the order of the day. - 24/12/2012 04:34:18 PM 788 Views
It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 504 Views

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