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I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM
That is the rule I was always taught.


And it is a rule that is transparently, obviously, stupidly wrong. 'Never point a gun at anyone where death is not an acceptable outcome' is one thing, but how about 'Don't move or I shoot!'? Seriously who the hell taught you that? Grab a dictionary, give it to them, and tell them to look up 'Bravado' and 'Escalation'. If I come home early and surprise a burglar, I'm totally justified in drawing and aiming on him and issuing a life or death ultimatum, that's pure common sense, that doesn't mean the best, let alone only, outcome is for me to squeeze the trigger.

1) An off duty COP (i.e. someone screened, trained and licensed to have a gun) stopping a shooting does not mean EVERYONE should be able to get a gun.


That's not the claim, that what you want it to be because you're being willfully blind, the claim is that probability of innocent people dying decreases proportional to the proximity of a gun to the situation in the hands of a competent wielder. Obviously more competent shooters improve that, just as a more competent spree killer decreases that. But to argue a gun in the hands of relatively unskilled wielder (which an absence of a badge hardly proves) would also imply that the spree killer, unless an off duty cop or ex-military, is also a minimal threat. Why is a spree killer somehow more gun talented then a civilian with a gun? What the fuck kind of logic is that? Plus, you point to the off duty cop example even though several examples weren't cops. That doesn't even make sense. You may as well say that because a sprinter once made it to a payphone to call in help in record time any non-athletes shouldn't even be allowed to run for a phone.

2) Gun control did not prevent the stabber in China attacking >20 kids, but probably did prevent ANY deaths (unlike in three US mass shootings since July.)


China's apparently had 7 such stabbing incidents in and around that one province in a handful of months, some with fatalities. Statistical outliers make bad examples, yes knives are less dangerous generally then gun, but there are cases of people opening up on full auto, draining an entire clip, and not injuring anyone. Under your logic that case proves gun control is pointless. Regardless, I don't actually trust a damn thing China says about its own internal security.
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Poll: 54 percent view NRA favorably - 28/12/2012 04:23:35 AM 973 Views
Hahahaha. That is full of shit. OMG. Thanks for the laughs. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:30:08 AM 407 Views
I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 07:10:52 AM 771 Views
That was rather long but probably one of the best things I've read this year - 28/12/2012 02:31:24 PM 549 Views
Excellent article by a knowledgable individual armed with facts. *NM* - 28/12/2012 04:36:23 PM 271 Views
See my response to Novo. - 28/12/2012 06:28:00 PM 639 Views
please cite the errors, manipulations, or lies. - 28/12/2012 09:30:28 PM 594 Views
Re: I have this to say about that... - 28/12/2012 05:23:44 PM 651 Views
Never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot, nor shoot anything you do not mean to kill - 28/12/2012 06:13:20 PM 613 Views
I totally disagree with that, it is just wrong-headed - 29/12/2012 03:51:19 AM 737 Views
Great read, thanks for posting! *NM* - 28/12/2012 05:52:29 PM 278 Views
Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it a lot - 29/12/2012 01:36:33 AM 559 Views
his premise is "there's already too many guns so why bother trying anything at all now" - 07/01/2013 06:27:20 PM 624 Views
I don't think that's his sole premise but it's also quite true - 07/01/2013 07:05:20 PM 652 Views
i think you're missing a piece of the puzzle - 07/01/2013 07:23:02 PM 576 Views
I'm not missing it, I just don't think it's wise or especially moral - 07/01/2013 09:36:05 PM 617 Views
moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 07/01/2013 11:26:00 PM 668 Views
Re: moral has nothing to do with it, imho - 08/01/2013 05:40:46 AM 533 Views
last thoughts..... - 08/01/2013 05:18:35 PM 556 Views
Well I was referring more to the timing of collecting data. - 29/12/2012 04:28:01 AM 747 Views
Is that the same Gallup that said 54% of America would vote Romney? - 28/12/2012 06:15:43 PM 676 Views
Once again data is data.....feel free to cite other polling data. *NM* - 28/12/2012 06:38:29 PM 288 Views

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