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So you are saying you do not need a gun then? I will keep mine anyway, thanks. Joel Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 04:19:03 PM
A reasonably inteligent individual (hell even a stupid one), who decides to kill someone, can. All day, every day, we are surrounded by objects that can be used for lethal purposed. Heck, my coffee mug can inflict a fatal injury (admitadly it is quite large, I really REALLY drink a lot of coffee). A gun is just one toll that can be used, and it is an efficient one, but it is only a tool.

NO correlation?! :shocked: Are you seriously contending people who want to kill someone choose the means at random, or that it is irrelevant to their success? Then a gun is unnecessary for self-defense; it is a tool that can be so used, and an efficient one, but only one of many just as good. Needless to say, I disagree.

If you want to kill a bunch of people, a gun is nott what you use, it is explosives or poisons

http://www.google.com/search?q=MUSTARD+GAS+RECIPE&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active

http://www.google.com/search?q=HOMEMADE+EXPLOSIVE&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active

http://www.google.com/search?q=HOMEMADE+NAPALM&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active

It is rather easy to do.

It is also rather easy to be sent to prison trying; homemade explosives and chemical weapons are HIGHLY illegal. Sure, anyone can legally get explosives and kill many people—IF they pass background checks and fill out slews of paperwork for the government. If you are suggesting the same should be true of guns, we are in complete agreement; if not, comparing guns to explosives is a false equivalence. Explosives do not justify unregulated guns either way.

People use a gun for many possible reasons, but "it is the best way" is not one of them. Frankly I just lump them all unde the word "coward" and move on.

Again, by that logic neither you nor anyone needs a gun; defend yourself with an explosive coffee mug. ;)

Restricting gun ownership does NOT save lives. Want proof? Look at the muder rates of Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, and Houston. Chicago is the only one with a larger population than Houston, DC & Detroit are about a third the size of Houson. However, every single one of those cities has a MUCH higher murder (and gun violence) rate than Houston. They also have VERY restrictive gun laws.

I was born and raised in Houston; when Lee Brown was police chief it had the highest murder rate of any city in the US, until he went to DC and it gained that dubious "honor." There is a lot more that goes into that than gun laws. For example, Detroit and DC are also riddled with poverty, and crime rates in general tend to be proportional to poverty.

PLEASE find 1 example of a city/county/state in the US with lax gun laws and a higher murder/violence rate than a comparative location with restrictive gun laws. Good luck.

I will go you one better: The US, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden are all in the top ten for per capita gun ownership, and the next highest per capita gun ownership is in Norway, France, Canada, Austria, Germany and Iceland. That is 10 of the 16 countries with the highest per capita gun ownership; the other 6 consist of Saudi Arabia and war zones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Yet only the US, Canada and Switzerland make the top twenty for per capita gun deaths; that it is much EASIER to get a gun in those countries likely accounts for the difference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Most significantly, Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, Austria, Germany and Iceland all have some of the strictest gun control AND highest per capita gun ownership in the world. That bears repeating: Most nations with the highest per capita gun ownership also have the strictest gun control. If gun control=gun bans, they are doing a very poor job of it. The difference is not that America has lots of guns, but that we let any monkey with a few hundred dollars legally buy one.
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