By that logic no one needs a gun for self-defense; a coffee mug is perfectly adequate.
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/12/2012 09:06:51 PM
A reasonably inteligent individual (hell even a stupid one), who decides to kill someone, can. All day, every day, we are surrounded by objects that can be used for lethal purposed. Heck, my coffee mug can inflict a fatal injury (admitadly it is quite large, I really REALLY drink a lot of coffee). A gun is just one toll that can be used, and it is an efficient one, but it is only a tool.
NO correlation?!
Are you seriously contending people who want to kill someone choose the means at random, or that it is irrelevant to their success? Then a gun is unnecessary for self-defense; it is a tool that can be so used, and an efficient one, but only one of many just as good. Needless to say, I disagree.
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When guns are a big national issue, how do reporters & pundits not know facts about them?
- 21/12/2012 05:33:14 PM
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You don't hunt by walking into a classroom and shooting 20 deer
- 21/12/2012 05:56:16 PM
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You're actually not right on that one
- 21/12/2012 07:49:53 PM
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That wasn't the point I was making
- 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM
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You should probably clarify it then
- 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM
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His post was perfectly clear. Yours seemed like a response to an entirely different post.
- 21/12/2012 10:53:39 PM
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM*
- 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM
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I think
- 21/12/2012 11:13:34 PM
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Thats' easy, there is simply no such thing as a 'hunting rifle'
- 21/12/2012 11:17:41 PM
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I'd say the expert gunsmith
- 21/12/2012 11:28:02 PM
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I'm also an expert at math and physics, should I be more forgiving about those too?
- 22/12/2012 12:38:45 AM
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Re: I'm also an expert at math and physics, should I be more forgiving about those too?
- 22/12/2012 01:00:18 AM
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Well I appreciate your calling it pedantic when you aren't an expert, thanks for correcting me
- 22/12/2012 01:15:08 AM
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Re: Well I appreciate your calling it pedantic when you aren't an expert, thanks for correcting me
- 22/12/2012 09:35:38 AM
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I thought I was being perfectly clear.
- 21/12/2012 10:57:35 PM
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A bit of an aside, but I was reading that the gun used in the attack can be bought in Canada too.
- 21/12/2012 06:14:01 PM
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you're largely correct, which is why we need stronger laws on ownership not guns per se
- 21/12/2012 09:39:14 PM
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I can't think of a better reason than self defense
- 21/12/2012 10:33:26 PM
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He is right about Australia
- 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM
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No kidding 
- 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM
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- 21/12/2012 10:59:28 PM
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If you knew all that
- 21/12/2012 11:02:38 PM
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Because I used wiki of course
- 21/12/2012 11:21:25 PM
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He said ""self defense" is not a valid excuse to own a lethal weapon"
- 21/12/2012 11:34:59 PM
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Yes,which is un-cited, but I did prove it's a valid excuse to use one, so...
- 22/12/2012 12:36:19 AM
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The difference between allowing someone to defend themselves with a gun they have
- 22/12/2012 01:09:40 AM
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Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind.
- 22/12/2012 01:17:25 AM
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Re: Which you apparently think they shouldn't be able to obtain? Catch-22 comes to mind.
- 22/12/2012 09:51:51 AM
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A wood chipper isn't a gun, and evidence without proof isn't evidence
- 22/12/2012 06:10:34 PM
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If only you'd asked him for a citation rather than just saying you thought he was wrong eh? *NM*
- 23/12/2012 12:29:30 AM
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I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant.
- 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM
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My read is that the 2nd Amendment not only allows, but mandates, cop-killer bullets.
- 22/12/2012 12:45:04 AM
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Does the Second Amendment protect the rights of felons and the mentally incompetent to have guns?
- 22/12/2012 02:35:16 AM
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Court rulings have determined that your Constitutional Rights can be restricted for felony/insanity *NM*
- 23/12/2012 12:59:31 PM
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Activist judges should not make law. 
- 23/12/2012 02:04:42 PM
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- 23/12/2012 02:04:42 PM
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I agree, but the courts have already ruled that way so we are stuck. *NM*
- 26/12/2012 03:03:35 PM
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Then I guess we need the courts to rule gun owners need screening, training and licensing.
- 26/12/2012 03:46:05 PM
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No, if you want to restrict the 2nd (or any other amendment) amend the Constitution
- 26/12/2012 07:56:19 PM
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I do not want to restrict the Second Amendment, only enact the regulations it explictly allows.
- 26/12/2012 08:50:09 PM
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I disagree with your interpretation. The simple EXISTANCE of the BoR makes it binding on the states
- 27/12/2012 03:46:17 PM
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"Congress shall make no law..." restricts the STATES? How, exactly?
- 28/12/2012 03:03:19 PM
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The 2nd amendment does not mention Congress in any way. There is that reading issue again.
- 28/12/2012 10:02:41 PM
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You said, "the Bill of Rights," not "the Second Amendment."
- 28/12/2012 11:10:00 PM
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Copy-N-Paste, get over it. we are specifically discussing the 2nd amendment, not everything.
- 29/12/2012 02:24:30 PM
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Some semi-autos are easily modified for full auto fire, making the distinction one w/o a difference.
- 21/12/2012 10:53:59 PM
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Correction: virtually all semi-automatics are easily convertable
- 21/12/2012 11:23:35 PM
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I have seen nothing on turning a semi-auto BAR into a fully automatic one.
- 22/12/2012 01:11:12 AM
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What's a BAR? In any event, link a diagram and I'll let you know
- 22/12/2012 01:26:31 AM
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Confusingly, there are two: The BAR you and I think of, and the "Browning BAR," a current semi-auto
- 22/12/2012 01:07:30 PM
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Department of Redundancy Department gets to name a lot of stuff, like "Milky Way Galaxy"
- 22/12/2012 05:01:45 PM
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It only bothers me when people who know better speak of "the Glieseian solar system." 
- 26/12/2012 05:33:34 PM
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- 26/12/2012 05:33:34 PM
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Both terms are pretty stuck now
- 26/12/2012 10:48:38 PM
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You realize that encourages rather than discourages my opposition to the usage, right?
- 27/12/2012 01:23:15 AM
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- 27/12/2012 01:23:15 AM
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Well I can't say it surprises
- 27/12/2012 04:29:06 AM
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Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands.
- 22/12/2012 03:02:18 AM
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands.
- 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM
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Yes people can always still kill each other, humans are very ingenuitive
- 22/12/2012 04:42:04 AM
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I took a driving exam when I was 16, and have never been tested since, nor will I ever be.
- 23/12/2012 01:17:05 PM
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Never is a long time; just renewing a license requires retaking the eye exam most places.
- 23/12/2012 02:16:54 PM
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Rather hard to do an eye exam online or through the mail.
- 26/12/2012 03:08:06 PM
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Yes, it is, which is why I have always had to go by DPS for a new license.
- 26/12/2012 03:50:04 PM
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Tennessee and Florida pass them out like candy. For several years TN offered a no ID license
- 26/12/2012 08:02:39 PM
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I still find it odd they require no eye test, that either allows the blind drivers licenses.
- 26/12/2012 08:58:57 PM
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Oh yeah, we have wandered off course *shrug*
- 27/12/2012 03:55:55 PM
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Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing.
- 28/12/2012 03:35:34 PM
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Re: Voter registration while getting a drivers license is distinct from the ease of licensing.
- 28/12/2012 10:14:32 PM
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If you can prove someone voted illegally, call the ACLU and claim your $1000.
- 28/12/2012 11:18:38 PM
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puhleeze.... election fraud is a fact. Pick a state, ANY state, ANY election...
- 29/12/2012 02:41:40 PM
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Clip size is meaningless, semi-autos and even revolvers can be reloaded VERY quickly. *NM*
- 23/12/2012 01:20:59 PM
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1997 North Hollywood Shootout
- 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM
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typical NRA bullshit response
- 22/12/2012 04:53:40 AM
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typical Moondog bullshit response
- 23/12/2012 01:06:12 PM
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of course! there is no connection between having a gun and shooting someone. got it 
- 23/12/2012 02:33:18 PM
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- 23/12/2012 02:33:18 PM
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There is no corelation between decidng to kill someone and what tool you use.
- 26/12/2012 03:11:08 PM
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By that logic no one needs a gun for self-defense; a coffee mug is perfectly adequate.
- 26/12/2012 09:06:51 PM
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I can kill you with my coffee mug... RESPECT THE MUG but I wouldn't, I might spill the coffee.
- 27/12/2012 04:08:52 PM
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So you are saying you do not need a gun then? I will keep mine anyway, thanks.
- 28/12/2012 04:19:03 PM
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- 28/12/2012 04:19:03 PM
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You covered a bunch of different things, and completely misrepresentted what I wrote
- 28/12/2012 10:28:24 PM
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Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones.
- 28/12/2012 11:44:19 PM
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Re: Home made explosives are pretty much always illegal; I did not want to overlook legal ones.
- 29/12/2012 03:31:01 PM
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Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed
- 22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM
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Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM*
- 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM
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So do laws against getting a gun without screening, training and certification.
- 23/12/2012 02:01:32 PM
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Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM*
- 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM
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I am not suggesting either changing or ignoring the Constitution.
- 26/12/2012 04:01:02 PM
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Yes you are.
- 26/12/2012 08:06:01 PM
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Learn logic, and stop needlessly trying to teach me grammar.
- 26/12/2012 08:55:25 PM
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Lear to read, and I won't have to
- 27/12/2012 04:28:59 PM
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Ironically, you misspelled "learn."
- 28/12/2012 05:15:17 PM
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- 28/12/2012 05:15:17 PM
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I know, I thought about going back and fixing the typo, but thought it was funny so I left it. 
*NM*
- 28/12/2012 10:34:06 PM
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*NM*
- 28/12/2012 10:34:06 PM
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2 commas or 4 makes no difference one is a 12D the other is a sentance.
- 28/12/2012 10:55:31 PM
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It makes a huge difference when (incorrectly) claiming to know the text.
- 28/12/2012 11:31:51 PM
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and by REGULATED, the authors meeant "able to use it effectively"
- 29/12/2012 03:47:57 PM
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You are wrong.
- 22/12/2012 12:14:40 PM
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That explains much; I read somewhere Brits are averse to it.
- 22/12/2012 01:17:15 PM
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What bemuses me about this thing with Adam Lanza, is that his mother had 5 registered guns
- 23/12/2012 07:10:26 AM
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She also had many knives, and blunt objecs around the house. Tools are only as good as the user
- 23/12/2012 01:10:58 PM
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So clearly she wasn't prepared enough... btw, do we know she was sleeping?
- 27/12/2012 10:52:03 AM
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That she 1) was in bed, 2) had guns for self-defense and 3) was shot 4 times strongly suggests sleep
- 28/12/2012 11:49:20 PM
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She was asleep with him in the house.
- 23/12/2012 02:24:47 PM
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LOOK, look, there is another one...
- 26/12/2012 03:13:45 PM
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I find the absolutist ant/pro-gun positions equally dangerous and absurd.
- 26/12/2012 04:20:37 PM
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So we should just *kinda* ignore the Constitution *this* time... But what about NEXT time...
- 26/12/2012 08:08:12 PM
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No, we should enact gun regulation the Constitution explicitly empowers.
- 26/12/2012 09:02:12 PM
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Which would be... NONE. *NM*
- 27/12/2012 04:31:53 PM
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...."
- 28/12/2012 05:14:49 PM
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Your point being?
- 27/12/2012 10:47:29 AM
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I am certain it would have been better, though not good, if she had been awake and shot him.
- 27/12/2012 02:16:13 PM
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So the situation of Nancy and Adam shooting at each other
- 28/12/2012 07:44:12 AM
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No, I believe they were both mentally incompetent to have guns; that does not mean EVERYONE is.
- 28/12/2012 02:19:51 PM
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As a father, I would rather kill my own child than have him kill 26 other people.
- 27/12/2012 04:35:02 PM
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And as a father, you are somehow clairvoyant?
- 28/12/2012 07:43:08 AM
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Nice flippant unthinking reply, you and moondog should get together. *NM*
- 28/12/2012 04:55:14 PM
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How is my reply flippant? Your statement was unthinking, not mine.
- 29/12/2012 06:59:04 AM
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YOU asked if it would have been better for her to kill her own child instead, I answered.
- 29/12/2012 03:52:02 PM
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I asked if a shoot out between mother and son had been better, not whether she should have killed
- 29/12/2012 08:54:09 PM
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You make no sense.
- 31/12/2012 06:07:50 PM
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I make no sense to you because you probably just don't understand my point.
- 01/01/2013 08:09:11 AM
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Maybe the heat death of the univers occurs before you finally have a cohearant thought
- 01/01/2013 07:34:31 PM
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You do realize that resorting to personal attacks reveal an inability to make sound arguments? *NM*
- 02/01/2013 06:01:33 PM
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That is not an ad hominem attack, and your prior post was not very logically coherent
- 02/01/2013 08:59:16 PM
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Instead of actually showing why my arguments would be incoherent or why I'm immature, he just said
- 05/01/2013 02:02:23 AM
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