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Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM
cost would be the main one. I don't know how many schools there are in the US, but having at least one armed police officer at every one? You're talking billions at the very least.

Another case where the level of justified public debate about gun violence strongly suggests the cost would be more than worth it.

The evidence based on events like Columbine suggests it wouldn't, if it doesn't then that's quite a waste of 10% of your education budget.

As I noted in response to Novo, the novel appearance of armed police in US high schools coincided suspiciously well with Columbine. So, no, armed police in high schools did not prevent Columbine for the very simple reason armed police were virtually non-existent in US high schools prior to Columbine. They became ubiquitous promptly thereafter, which may be part of why the Newtown shooter attacked an elementary rather than junior or high school.

It is difficult to imagine armed police at schools would not dramatically reduce the incidence of school shootings. The only question is whether the current frequency and mortality of school shootings justifies the expense of greatly reducing or completely preventing them. I believe we are past the point of debating that.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics moondog - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1201 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. Joel - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 722 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head beetnemesis - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 752 Views
OK... Joel - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 719 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine. HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM 548 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 568 Views
The effectiveness issue aside TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 618 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside Joel - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 708 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 665 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 630 Views
If it's shown to work TheCrownless - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 710 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present. Joel - 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM 614 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... moondog - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 604 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) Joel - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 749 Views
you should try harder moondog - 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM 768 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM 701 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started moondog - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM 711 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there? Joel - 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM 568 Views
A fuller account of Gardner snoopcester - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 809 Views
Nice link. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 603 Views
Re: Nice link. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 581 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.) Joel - 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM 581 Views
Re: Nice link. snoopcester - 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM 593 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school Joel - 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM 608 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on? snoopcester - 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM 637 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM 710 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US moondog - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 662 Views
What is public safety worth to you? Joel - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 582 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. moondog - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 518 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 525 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect moondog - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 652 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 715 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject moondog - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 638 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 570 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country moondog - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 691 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 578 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 575 Views
Fair enough Isaac - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 930 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion. Joel - 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM 543 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 671 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics Novo - 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM 747 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools. Joel - 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM 588 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant. Tom - 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM 700 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM 645 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane moondog - 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM 678 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around moondog - 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM 621 Views
People die from all sort of causes Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 638 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? Joel - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 775 Views
Do bombs require certification? Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 863 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. Joel - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM 540 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks moondog - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 659 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. Stephen - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 620 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 629 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. moondog - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 555 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 585 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference moondog - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 574 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 887 Views
Dicks and stones Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 765 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 510 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days moondog - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 515 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take moondog - 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM 605 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM 277 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962 Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 575 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM 600 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM 559 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws moondog - 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM 540 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM 656 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation moondog - 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM 618 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM 586 Views
Double *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 330 Views
Hat trick, never got that before *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:56:08 AM 290 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns" Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM 670 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM* Burr - 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM 341 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook moondog - 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM 605 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM 660 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. Orange - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 590 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM* HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM 325 Views
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