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Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM
cost would be the main one. I don't know how many schools there are in the US, but having at least one armed police officer at every one? You're talking billions at the very least.

Another case where the level of justified public debate about gun violence strongly suggests the cost would be more than worth it.

The evidence based on events like Columbine suggests it wouldn't, if it doesn't then that's quite a waste of 10% of your education budget.

As I noted in response to Novo, the novel appearance of armed police in US high schools coincided suspiciously well with Columbine. So, no, armed police in high schools did not prevent Columbine for the very simple reason armed police were virtually non-existent in US high schools prior to Columbine. They became ubiquitous promptly thereafter, which may be part of why the Newtown shooter attacked an elementary rather than junior or high school.

It is difficult to imagine armed police at schools would not dramatically reduce the incidence of school shootings. The only question is whether the current frequency and mortality of school shootings justifies the expense of greatly reducing or completely preventing them. I believe we are past the point of debating that.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics moondog - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1210 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. Joel - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 729 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head beetnemesis - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 762 Views
OK... Joel - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 726 Views
If the schools that the children of our elected representatives attend are gaurded, so should mine. HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 03:00:35 PM 554 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 577 Views
The effectiveness issue aside TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 626 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside Joel - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 714 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably TheCrownless - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 673 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 635 Views
If it's shown to work TheCrownless - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 722 Views
Of the many school shootings in recent years, I am aware of none where armed cops were present. Joel - 23/12/2012 12:47:32 AM 621 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... moondog - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 610 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) Joel - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 757 Views
you should try harder moondog - 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM 776 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM 707 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started moondog - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM 719 Views
No kidding; how could he stop the shooting before it started if he was not there? Joel - 23/12/2012 02:16:59 AM 573 Views
A fuller account of Gardner snoopcester - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 820 Views
Nice link. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 610 Views
Re: Nice link. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 589 Views
Inexplicably, Ft. Hood was a gun free zone (guess no one told the shooter.) Joel - 26/12/2012 06:12:42 PM 590 Views
Re: Nice link. snoopcester - 23/12/2012 04:21:27 PM 597 Views
Gardner:If you’re going to put a police officer in a school, make sure his focus stays on the school Joel - 26/12/2012 06:40:41 PM 618 Views
The children are what matter, not the school. Surely this isn't something you disagree on? snoopcester - 29/12/2012 02:15:12 PM 644 Views
As usual Moondog, you are missing a BUNCH of facts on this one (links inside) HyogaRott - 26/12/2012 07:51:29 PM 718 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US moondog - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 666 Views
What is public safety worth to you? Joel - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 586 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. moondog - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 525 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 531 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect moondog - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 659 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. Joel - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 721 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject moondog - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 644 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. Joel - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 576 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country moondog - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 697 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 584 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 581 Views
Fair enough Isaac - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 938 Views
Care to prove that negative? The burden to do so is on you as the person who made the assertion. Joel - 26/12/2012 06:47:07 PM 549 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. random thoughts - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 680 Views
Re: the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics Novo - 22/12/2012 06:36:32 PM 754 Views
I believe it is fairly common in junior and high schools today, but not elementary schools. Joel - 22/12/2012 07:12:32 PM 594 Views
This entire post is completely irrelevant. Tom - 22/12/2012 07:27:45 PM 706 Views
Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities. Joel - 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM 650 Views
there is no Left or Right on this issue, there is only Sane and Insane moondog - 23/12/2012 12:59:08 AM 682 Views
also: it's insulting to tell parents their kids would be alive if only more guns were around moondog - 23/12/2012 01:30:53 AM 627 Views
People die from all sort of causes Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 644 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? Joel - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 779 Views
Do bombs require certification? Dark Knight - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 871 Views
No, they are pretty much illegal for the general public under all conditions. Joel - 22/12/2012 09:35:35 PM 546 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks moondog - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 664 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. Stephen - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 625 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 638 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. moondog - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 560 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 590 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference moondog - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 581 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 896 Views
Dicks and stones Dark Knight - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 773 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 517 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days moondog - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 522 Views
cars and guns kill roughly the same number of people every year -- around 30,000 give or take moondog - 23/12/2012 01:02:44 AM 610 Views
But over half of gun deaths are suicide.....so cars are much more dangerous to society. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:35:45 AM 279 Views
Every year is iffy there, it dropped off the last two, was 40k-50k plus for cars since 1962 Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 581 Views
except that cars are legislated to be safer every year, guns aren't. moondog - 23/12/2012 03:01:36 PM 606 Views
Guns are for killing, cars are for transport, cars aren't any safer now against use for homicide Isaac - 23/12/2012 08:22:13 PM 567 Views
but if we are trying to minimize the number of deaths, then more MUST be done for gun laws moondog - 24/12/2012 03:33:31 AM 546 Views
More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 24/12/2012 04:27:04 AM 662 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation moondog - 25/12/2012 04:49:54 PM 626 Views
Re: More must be done to minimize, not necessarily with greater regulation Isaac - 25/12/2012 08:41:53 PM 595 Views
Double *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:55:50 AM 332 Views
Hat trick, never got that before *NM* Isaac - 23/12/2012 11:56:08 AM 292 Views
Here is some interesting data.....knives are as dangerous as "non-handguns" Anonymous2000 - 23/12/2012 05:45:08 AM 678 Views
I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to plug my new book, "How to Cook with Guns" *NM* Burr - 23/12/2012 03:04:06 PM 344 Views
there was a school mass stabbing in china the same day as sandy hook moondog - 23/12/2012 03:18:00 PM 611 Views
I am equally happy that the criminal was incompetant, but that does not diminish their lethality HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:45:33 PM 668 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. Orange - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 597 Views
IMO it is about the media attention focuised on the perpetrator. Their name becomes history. *NM* HyogaRott - 27/12/2012 10:47:15 PM 328 Views
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