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I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant. Joel Send a noteboard - 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM
other countries have had no problem controlling the owning of guns without outright banning specific features. i would like to see us go to an australian model where "self defense" is not a valid excuse to own a lethal weapon. it's a pipe dream as of now, but maybe this can be the last mass school shooting if we're lucky enough to get tough on gun laws instead of more lax.

The Second Amendment does not require a valid EXCUSE to have any weapon; it requires a valid excuse to DENY one. Failure to pass a mental health/criminal background check, receive adequate training and certification of same, or license and register the weapon all qualify, IMHO, but the guns inherent lethality does not, not unless we also ban swords, knives, bats and every other lethal weapon. You always said you did not need a gun because of your mag light, but it could easily shatter a skull or rupture an organ: Should you therefore be prohibited from owning it? Are its self-defense applications insufficient cause to exempt you from that ban?

All that aside, and whether we like it or not, Mao was correct to say political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, and gun rights advocates are correct to say the entire Bill of Rights ultimately rests on the Second Amendment. Again I note there can be little doubt what the Framers intended by the Second Amendment given that the American Revolution began at Lexington and Concord, when the British Army tried to confiscate guns the militias used to resist government tyranny, and the militias met them in battle to prevent it. If the Founding Fathers did not intend the public to have access to military weaponry they would have remained loyal British subjects.
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That wasn't the point I was making - 21/12/2012 09:49:40 PM 846 Views
You should probably clarify it then - 21/12/2012 10:47:26 PM 1000 Views
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Explain that remark, it is not obvious to me *NM* - 21/12/2012 11:00:10 PM 519 Views
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Re: I thought I was being perfectly clear. - 21/12/2012 11:25:04 PM 899 Views
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He is right about Australia - 21/12/2012 10:46:27 PM 846 Views
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I think you are on the right track, but to the wrong destination; "lethal weapon" is redundant. - 21/12/2012 11:05:29 PM 839 Views
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Re: Yes the media is using terms incorrectly but the point still stands. - 22/12/2012 04:12:30 AM 829 Views
umm... - 22/12/2012 12:41:31 PM 742 Views
1997 North Hollywood Shootout - 22/12/2012 04:07:39 AM 911 Views
Laws against murder failed to prevent that, too; clearly they are ineffective and should be repealed - 22/12/2012 06:02:24 AM 962 Views
Such laws were never intended for prevention, they define actions that will be punished. *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:57:57 PM 550 Views
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Then CHANGE the Constitution, don't ignore it. *NM* - 26/12/2012 03:12:11 PM 487 Views
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guns r stpid *NM* - 23/12/2012 12:39:30 AM 571 Views
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*see previous grammar lesson* *NM* - 28/12/2012 10:31:43 PM 476 Views
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It irritates me too. *NM* - 01/01/2013 01:55:05 PM 492 Views

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