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Short form: The common phrases "suicide by cop" and "going postal" did not exist a generation ago. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/12/2012 09:14:51 PM
If you believe that in the last 30 years Americans have become more selfish, self-absorbed and materialistic I am not going to argue it. If you want to point out that our sense of community has been eroded and the traditional support of churches is waning along with traditional churches themselves, I am not going to argue it. If you're going to go on and try to score cheap political points by using it to make some radical socioeconomic or political point, then you're full of shit and we both know it - I will be content to know, for you to know I know, and to know you know I know.

However, no one's going to argue with you if your point is just that people are petty and selfish.

I submit that change has less to do with declines in US mental healthcare or Church influence in that period than with the growing number of people "not economically viable," and Americas increasing willingness to ignore them as expendable (or liquidate them as liabilities.) Communities do not do that with (to) their members, and since Americans' willingness to do so is directly proportional to their self-proclaimed Chrisitianity, I do not believe the Church the problem, only another victim.

I think it is the same problem we see in many Third World warzones, which is deeply shameful in a country like the US. Keep telling people life is cheap and they start to believe you; keep telling them THEIR specific life is worthless and they start to hate you. Not a good combination, especially when the foundation is "do whatever it takes to get ahead and success will earn societys pardon of any crimes." Social justice is ultimately a question of survival as much as of morality.
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Well, I more or less agree with everything you said *NM* - 19/12/2012 01:23:26 AM 236 Views
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